May 24, 2005

The Norm poll ...

List your favorite "movie stars". I get 10 votes.

1. Cary Grant
2. Katherine Hepburn
3. Marilyn Monroe
4. Humphrey Bogart
5. Ingrid Bergman
6. Jeff Bridges
7. Marlon Brando
8. Gary Cooper
9. Clark Gable
10. John Travolta

Okay, that's a pretty typical list - except for maybe Travolta and Bridges. But what the hey, I'm not re-inventing the wheel here. Now what was my criteria? I think there is a difference between a "movie star" and an "actor" - and sometimes, blessedly, the two overlap. In the case of the 10 people I chose, they did overlap. These people all were (and are) definitive movie stars, but they all had a great gift for acting as well.

But like I've said here before, there is a magic that happens between certain people and the CAMERA ... which cannot be taught, bottled, imitated, or even explained. For example: Marilyn Monroe, who always seemed to carry around her own keylight. How did that happen? What WAS her magic? Now some people are immune to her magic, but they are so much in the minority that I can pretty much comfortably ignore them. Contemplating Marilyn Monroe has been something I've enjoyed for ... damn ... 25 years? Some people speculate that the reason she looked so luminous on screen is that she had a very light layer of blonde fuzz over her skin - I mean, we all have hair like that on our arms, and our cheeks - it's everywhere - but some people thought that maybe Monroe's was a bit longer or thicker than other people's, and that is why she seemed so reflective of light - she actually WAS reflecting light. Who knows if that is true ... but I do think there is a certain relationship between certain actors and the camera - which sometimes has to do with acting, but other times has to do with something else, something indefinable. I would say it has to do with the soul. Someone like Gary Cooper doesn't even have to 'act' - he never appears to do ANYthing - and we see into his soul.

But again - there are plenty of actors who can do that. Who can let us see what is going on in their hearts ... wonderful actors - but I still wouldn't call them "movie stars".

For example: I love Russell Crowe, and I think when he's good?? Nobody can touch him. If you disagree, then I have to believe that you haven't seen Romper Stomper. BUT: he doesn't have that thing with the camera that, say, Gary Cooper does. He's always good, he's always committed to his work, and he is quite often very powerful and very moving. The only time I would say he comes close to that kind of movie-star-magic is in LA Confidential. Now THAT is the performance of a "movie star". It sizzles with charisma, with what is NOT said, it smolders with unexpressed feeling ... I think that might be the most vulnerable Crowe has ever been with us - and interestingly enough, he was playing a big tough-guy. That was the thing with those actors in the 30s and 40s ... they played tough-guys, but not HARD guys. They were tough because life threw you for a loop and there were things in life that needed protecting, but they also fell in love with the dame. They weren't HARD, or immune. It's a hugely attractive mix, and we've almost lost that dynamic completely in movies today. That's why Crowe's performance in LA Confidential made an entire nation of movie-going women turn into puddles on the floor. It was a throwback, yes ... but not in a kitschy way, not even in a nostalgic way. He WAS that guy.

Other examples: Sean Penn is probably, along with Daniel Day Lewis, one of the best actors practicing the craft today. But he doesn't have that thing ... that openness-of-soul that the movie stars I listed have.

I'm probably digging myself into a hole here - because I am coming up with exceptions to every rule. If I contemplate Cary Grant (and believe me - I DO!!) - I would say that one of the things which totally appeals about him is the sense of mystery there. He never gives it all away. He never lets us have all of him. The camera loves him, I don't know of an actor more beloved by the camera ... but still: he never lets us all the way in. The face is so handsome, so photogenic ... but he dodges us, keeps us guessing. Nobody like him, man. Just nobody like him. That's why he's # 1 on my list.

Come to think of it: all of the movie stars on my list have that don't-give-it-all-away thing in common.

You never EVER catch Jeff Bridges pandering to us, or turning himself inside-out in an effort to get us on his side. No. He holds back, he disappears into the character - you cannot take your eyes off him. Jeff Bridges, in my humble opinion, is a MASTER at the art of film-acting. He is probably the best there is. He understands the camera, he uses it, so much of his work is so subtle that it never ever seems like work - but it packs this huge punch. The guy is a genius. Hands down.

Marilyn Monroe is, as always, in a league of her own. I have no idea WHAT was going on with that woman ... if she had fuzz on her skin, or a good makeup artist, or WHAT. But she had "it". She glows. Everyone has magic in them, we all do - but she had "movie magic".

John Travolta is on there because, to me, he has the magnetism of those old-time iconic movie stars. Like nobody else working today. You can't take your eyes off him when he's on the screen. It's almost like Travolta (or his face, or his soul - however you want to say it) is letting us, the audience, in on a secret or something. Or at least he's trying to. It's a secret between HIM and US. We feel honored that he would want to open up to us in that way. He has no barriers between him and the camera. And THAT is the mark of a great movie star.

Posted by sheila
Comments

Thanks, Sheila. Your votes are duly logged in. And all are invited to drop me an email with your entries:

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Posted by: Norm at May 24, 2005 6:16 PM

Cary for sure.

Marilyn Monroe never really did much for me, I have to say. Revolta neither.

Katharine Hepburn...well, that's the reason my daughter is named Katharine!

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at May 24, 2005 7:04 PM

Steve McQueen
Bruce Lee
Paul Newman
Denzel Washington
Harrison Ford
Sally Field
Russell Crowe
Tom Hanks

There're more, but these guys all came to mind fastest. Good list, red.

Posted by: popskull at May 24, 2005 7:12 PM

We're pretty close on this one.

I'd probably substitute Carole Lombard for Jeff Bridges and Fred Astaire for John Travolta, but that's about it.

Posted by: MikeR at May 24, 2005 7:36 PM

In terms of adding to the list..

..and using the criteria of "You can't take your eyes off him when he's on the screen."

I'd suggest... John Hurt.. Anthony Hopkins.. Kirk Douglas.

Posted by: peteb at May 24, 2005 7:37 PM

All excellent additions. :) If I did my list tomorrow, some of them might be on it. Probably wouldn't boot off Cary, Marilyn, Humphrey and Gary ... they're always on the list. The rest are up to my whim!

Posted by: red at May 24, 2005 7:47 PM

popskull: Now Steve McQueen. Indeed. That guy is a CLASSIC movie star.

Posted by: red at May 24, 2005 7:48 PM

I won't hold it against you that you didn't put Garland on your list. I'm incredibally upset, but I won't bomb your house.

Maybe.

Your list is great, Sheila. I love the Gary Cooper. YES!!!!

I think I would replace Bogart with Garland, and here's why, as you said in your post it's about having both. And to me, Bogie was a great actor, but not so much a great movie star. I guess, if we were to compare Garland and Bogie (and I mean, CAN YOU????? No. I'm an ass for even attempting to make this comparison, so excuse my ass-ness), but if we TRIED to compare, I would have to say (if backed up against a wall with pointy sticks) that Garland had the edge over Bogie in the movie star department. NOT BY MUCH!!! But....by a hair.

That's all. That's all I'm saying.

Posted by: Alex at May 24, 2005 8:32 PM

red, I'm reading Christopher Sandford's biography of McQueen right now. It's really good. It talks about how much of a shit he could be, but always returns to his onscreen deal. He is definitely alive up there and you have to look at him. "Bullitt" is one of my all-time faves. TCM is doing a documentary about him next week and then three nights of his flicks. I'm stoked.

Posted by: popskull at May 24, 2005 8:33 PM

Alex - hahaha You know, when I posted this list - I knew I would get shit from you for not putting Garland on there. Hmmm. I also left Star is Born off the greatest movies ... but I agonized over it - I tell you, I did!!

I hear what you're saying about Bogie - interesting. I will ponder it seriously all night. You think I'm kidding? I am not at all. I will lose sleep.

Posted by: red at May 24, 2005 8:37 PM

Ummm.....'scuse me, but like I DON'T KNOW YOU????!!!

I KNOW you'll ponder this all night long, and that's why I love you.

Because.....so will I.

Posted by: Alex at May 24, 2005 8:49 PM

John Wayne.

Posted by: dorkafork at May 24, 2005 9:30 PM

Um? Hello? Is this thing on? Meryl Streep anyone?

Posted by: Big Dan at May 24, 2005 9:32 PM

Dan -

She is, indeed, one of the greatest film actresses ever.

I need to do a new list. Or i need to have a longer list.

Posted by: red at May 24, 2005 10:16 PM

If I may make a suggestion, Sheila, how 'bout top ten of the first half of the 20th century and top ten in the second half... You may want to shift the dividing point to account for the start of the movie industry (maybe '55 or '60 as a split?)

Posted by: JFH at May 24, 2005 11:23 PM

Great list, Sheila. But for Jeff Bridges (whose work I am not so well acquainted with) I would endorse all your choices myself! I suppose the time has come to rent Jeff's movies and spend a weekend in finally getting acquainted...

Loved your comments about Marilyn: so well put! I am not an actor, so it is HIGHLY interesting for me to read what an actor thinks about her (and I would LOVE a post with your thoughts on Marilyn's work... Bear with me, I am the geek that searches your site for "Marilyn Monroe") :-D

Posted by: Ceci at May 25, 2005 11:05 AM

lets see...
Judy Garland(not because of Alex..but because of pure unadulterated idolatry)
Ingrid Bergman
Gregory Peck
Audrey Hepburn
Katherine Hepburn
Montgomery Clift
Shirley MacLaine
Cary Grant (bien sur)
Bette Davis
Barbra Streisand (try to take your eyes off her on screen..love or hate)

Posted by: Mitchell at May 25, 2005 11:38 AM

"YOU CALL THIS A HONEYMOON???"

Posted by: red at May 25, 2005 11:39 AM

"judy and i are gonna put you into a home..."

Posted by: Mitchell at May 25, 2005 11:58 AM

hahahahaha

"My husband'll pay for this ..."

I totally agree, though, about her movie-star-ness. All you need to do is watch her coming down the stairs at the Harmonia Gardens (in a movie she was miscast in, no less!!) and you'll see a true movie star at work.

Posted by: red at May 25, 2005 2:40 PM