May 17, 2006

Under-rated movies

I got this idea from Self-styled Siren - another awesome film-nut site I've becomed addicted to. Scroll through her archives. Try to resist her. You will not be able to.

So here is what THIS post is about:

"10 movies you consider overlooked, underrated, offbeat and in general deserving of not being forgotten." (Check out her choices - very very interesting.)

One limitation: The films chosen must not have won any major award - or been nominated for Best Picture.

I chose more than 10 - although I will just start off with 5 here. This has been a post I've been working on for a couple of days now - more to come! I also cheated, on occasion, with the award thing, as you will see. But I did not choose any movie that won for Best Picture- I kept that a solid rule.

So here you have it:

Movies you consider overlooked, underrated, offbeat and in general deserving of not being forgotten.

THE FIRST FIVE

1. Ball of Fire


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One of the most delightful comedic and good-hearted films ever made. I saw it the first time last year, promptly bought it, and have since seen it probably once a month ever since. That trend shows no sign of abating. Written by Billy Wilder and Charles Brackett, and directed by Howard Hawks (I mean, come ON!!) - it's the story of 8 professors, who live basically in an ivory tower - they have been comissioned to write an encyclopedia. The "head" of this group of professors is Bertram Potts, played by a wonderfully stuffy and awkward (and charming) Gary Cooper. He's a linguistics professor. He realizes he needs to understand more about modern slang, especially because he lives such a cloistered life. So he goes out onto the streets to find out how real people talk. In the process, he meets Sugarpuss O'Shea - YES. That is her name!! Sugarpuss O'Shea is a nightclub singer - who ends up having some pretty shady Mob connections - and she is played by Barbara Stanwyck in what is, in my opinion, one of her best performances. Even though; how does one choose, right? But she is so earthy, so lovable, so ... so HUMAN here. Sugarpuss ends up moving into the ivory tower with all of the professors (each one is played by a recognizable and beloved character actor - they are all so so funny and distinct!) - and they all basically fall in love with her. But no one falls harder than the bumblingly intellectual (what? Gary Cooper??) Professor Potts. It's a wonderful love story, it's got a bitingly funny script (which also has great heart) - Stanwyck has a monologue at the end about why she loves the goofball Potts and listen to the words:

"I love him because he's the kind of guy who gets drunk on a glass of buttermilk, and I love the way he blushes right up over his ears. I love him because he doesn't know how to kiss, the jerk!"

People just don't really write like that for the movies anymore. I mean, read that line again. God, it's so good.

And Gary Cooper plays what we might call the "Cary Grant part" - the stuffy kind of baffled awkward guy - who is loosened up by the female, who waltzes in (or rhumbas in, as the case is here) - and knocks over all his nice little chess pieces. Cooper and Stanwyck together just sizzle, and spark.

I know a lot of people love this movie - as a matter of fact it was a couple of readers on this here blog who told me I NEEDED to see this movie, seeing as I was so in love with Howard Hawks' stuff. So I know it has its defenders - but still - my wish for it is to have its place in the canon.


2. Only Angels Have Wings


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Awesomely enough, this film was "Movie of the Day" on IMDB yesterday. And yes - it did win an Oscar for its special effects - an Oscar that was created BECAUSE of Only Angels Have Wings and its aviation scenes - which still have the power to stun today. And also, I realize that this film is generally accepted as one of Howard Hawks' best, and one of Cary Grant's sexiest performances - and if you Google around for old reviews of this film, you are hard-pressed to find a bad one. It works on every level it needs to work. The story is Howard Hawks' (he knew the people this film was about, he knew "those guys" - it was a REAL world he was describing) - and written by Jules Furthman - also a collaborator on other Hawks masterpieces: The Big Sleep, Rio Bravo, To Have and Have Not - and a ton more. The men had an affinity for one another, in their macho understanding of the world, the importance of male relationships, the craziness (and yet the fascination) of women, the centrality of ACTION - Hawks saw the world in terms of ACTION, what people DO. Anyway - I can't say enough about Only Angels Have Wings. It's a fantastic example of the whole "Howard Hawks woman" post I wrote in response to this film when I first saw it.

Also - Cary Grant is so good, in general, that he is taken for granted. Check him out here. Never has he been so CRANKY (although crankiness is one of his defining characteristics - whether it be in a comic situation - Bringing Up Baby - or a dark situation - Notorious) - but in Only Angels Have Wings he takes the crankiness to another level, an almost MEAN level. Cary Grant? Mean? Watch him. He also seems like he has never had so much fun as an actor. He owns every moment. It's his sexiest performance.

All the secondary characters are fantastic - Dutchie, the Kid, Kilgallen (the pilot who ruined his reputation when he bailed out of his burning plane - leaving his mechanic to die in the crash), Bonnie Lee (played by the funny Jean Arthur) - the showgirl stranded in the banana republic for a week - who falls helplessly in love with Cary Grant's character - they are all real people.

And watch Rita Hayworth, man, in her first big part after escaping from the OCD clutches of Howard Hughes' control. She's a classy and a smart DAME - the kind of woman Hawks adored, and chased, and fantasized about - in his real life, and in all of his films. Howard Hawks "got" the whole Rita Hayworth woman thing. Not too many men did. They only saw her boobs, and tried to exploit her sex appeal (look at how she was badly used in other films - except for Gilda which was another film that "got" her). Rita Hayworth was NOT a sexpot - when she was cast just as a sexpot, she suffered and was not good. But when she was cast as a mature woman, who happened to be that sexy - she just GLEAMS off the screen. Why do you think all those GIs plastered her posters all over their walls? The body, yes - but lots of girls have great bodies. Great bodies are a dime a dozen in Hollywood. It was that OTHER thing, that sensuousness. For example, when she takes off her gloves during her song in Gilda -- it is a shockingly revealing and erotic moment - and all she is doing is taking off her GLOVES. (Oh I forgot - someone posted a link to that clip a while back - here it is - watch all the way to the end) Her sexuality wasn't a joke, or something to be toyed with. She appeared to OWN it. And that always makes certain types of men very very nervous - and so they needed to demonize her, and cast her as trash. Hawks was, of course, interested in her boobs, too - no surprise there because the woman was, frankly, a babealicious babealolio - but beauty or sex appeal NEVER did it for him alone. He needed the brains, the insolence, the smarts as well. Think about it - Hawks is responsible for Slim in To Have and Have Not - a woman MORE insolent than Bogart, who gives as good as she gets. THAT was Hawks' ultimate fantasy, and in film after film after film, he was searching for that "type". He finally found her in Bacall - but it was an ongoing thing for him. He was macho. Tough. He wanted a woman who could keep up.

A dame like Rita Hayworth was all woman, but she could keep up.

AWESOME film, one of my favorite films ever made. If you haven't seen it yet - do yourself a favor. It's wonderful.

3. Dogfight


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It's just one of my favorite movies, that's all. So I feel protective of it. I hover over it. I remember when I lived with Jen, my roommate for a gazillion years - she somehow hadn't seen it, and I kept using it as a reference point - until finally she said, "Okay. Let's rent it. I need to see it." It was SO fun introducing her to it. She said early on in the film, "God ... I want him to start liking her! This is painful to watch!" I was like: "Wait ... just wait ..."

I've known people who wouldn't see the film based on a brief plot synopsis - and I understand that, I really do. A bunch of Marines hold a "dogfight" - where the contest is: who can bring the ugliest girl? Sounds pretty mean-spirited and sexist, and it is. But the movie uses the Dogfight to launch itself into another realm - where two random strangers - a Marine and a lonely girl who wants to be a folk singer - connect, over one long LONG night ... the night before he ships out to "this place called Vietnam." It's 1963. A couple of weeks before Kennedy is assassinated. The film is obviously about loss of innocence. But in some respects, it's also about what we GAIN when we lose our innocence.

Rose, played beautifully by Lily Taylor, is an idealist. She has a big bouffant hairdo. She lives with her mother. She is plump. She has no life. She lives in a dream world of folk singers - Odetta, Woody Guthrie, Joan Baez ... she is passionate, yet she has no experience.

Eddie Birdlace, on the other hand, played by River Phoenix in one of his best and most nuanced performances, is all muscle, brawn, and rage. He's defensive, pissed, and arrogant. He thinks the dogfight is hilarious. He picks Rose to go - only because he struck out with every other "dog" he asked. But he gets a bit more than he bargained for with Rose. She gets dressed up to go to the party (not knowing it's a dogfight) - and although she may look kind of silly to contemporary eyes (with her teased hair, her silly pouffy dress) - Eddie looks at her and realizes she is no dog. But instead of being attracted to her, he's just pissed because now he'll lose the dogfight. Eddie greets the entire world with anger.

But over the course of this one whole night - these two change one another. That sounds so goopy. But it's not handled goopily in the film. They go out to dinner, they talk, they argue about all kinds of things - the war, movies, folk music - and slowly, they start to actually HEAR what the other person is saying. Eddie stops seeing her as a "dog", or as a folk-singer wannabe loser. Rose stops seeing him as a war-mongering asshole who gets his kicks out of a DOGFIGHT. She doesn't like things about him, he doesn't like things about her - but over the course of this night, they begin to find unbelievable comfort in one another's presence. Their first kiss (picture above - and it's her first kiss ever in her life) is eleeeeeeeeectric. Sizzle shazam!!

Roger Ebert writes in his review:

I wonder if you will like the final scene in "Dogfight." Some people have found it tacked on. I feel the movie needs it - grows because of it. I won't reveal what happens. I will say it is handled with great delicacy, that the buildup is just right, and that Savoca and Comfort were right to realize that, in the final moments, nothing needs to be explained.

It's one of the sweetest love stories ever put on film. See it. If you haven't seen it, see it.


4. Zero Effect


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Uhm, Zero? Whatcha doin' up there on that bed?

David Cornelius wrote, in his review:

As played by Bill Pullman in his best performance to date, Zero is both the model of insanity and the model of genius. Pullman manages to make the character work by believing so deeply in him; his Zero is not a caricature, although he may do cartoonish things. He’s the straight man and the comic sidekick rolled into one. He says the weirdest, silliest damn things you’d ever heard, only he has total faith that every word he speaks is serious business. (Making things more complex, some of the stuff he says is serious business, and the contrast of the serious stuff to the goofy stuff only makes his character’s thoughts all the more profound.)

Yes, yes, and yes.

And he ends his review with:

And so “Zero Effect” works in so many ways. Its comedy is sharp, its mystery sharper. Its characters are bright and lively and endlessly watchable. This underrated, hidden gem of a movie could very well be the best mystery you’ve never seen (unless, of course, you’ve seen it, in which case it becomes one of the best you have seen, but I digress). Zero is Holmes, and Fletch, and so much more, but most of all, he’s describable only as himself. Daryl Zero is a movie character for the ages.

"Underrated hidden gem" indeed. I was very pleased to see, after my Bill Pullman extravaganza, how many people referenced Zero Effect. It has a cult following - which means, by its very definition, that it is underrated.

Show me a better performance by an actor that year, or any year, come to think of it. The 5 best actor nominees in 1998 were Roberto Benigni (Life is Beautiful), Tom Hanks (Saving Private Ryan), Ian McKellen (Gods and Monsters), Nick Nolte (Affliction), and Ed Norton (American History X). Some fine performances, a couple of mediocre performances (in my opinion), and only one great performance (Nolte's, if you're interested in my take on it). Bill Pullman's work in Zero Effect is up there with Nolte's - although the material isn't as wrenching (which is what the Academy loves - wrenching material) - Pullman's acting is as believable, as intense, as fanTASTIC as Nick Nolte's fierce and unforgettable turn in Affliction. And yet for all intents and purposes, Bill Pullman's work was completely ignored - except by the critics, and the small group of fans who continue to support this film.

But it's not just Pullman that makes this movie good. It's got a great plot, really good supporting characters, and a script (written by Jake Kasdan - who also directed it) that would make any actor DROOL to say those lines.

Zero does a voiceover throughout - telling us his philsophy on life, and how it is that he is "the world's greatest detective." Zero's drawling cynical alert voice could fit in in any 1940s film noir. He's Sam Spade on amphetamines. If Bill Pullman had been working in the 1930s and 1940s, I truly believe he would have been one of the biggest and most bankable stars. Imagine him in a screwball comedy. Can't you just see it?? Imagine him in a smouldering Big Sleep noir. It fits perfectly. But in this day and age? Bill Pullman usually gets TOTALLY miscast as the Wasp-y boring boyfriend the lead actress leaves for the REAL leading man. But in Zero Effect we get the full scope of what I am not ashamed to call Pullman's genius.

Listen to how Pullman does that voiceover. Not for one SECOND do you not think it is Zero speaking.

"A few words here about following people. People know they're being followed when they turn around and see someone following them. They can't tell they're being followed if you get there first."

Pullman doesn't "act" this part. He inhabits it.


5. Manhattan Murder Mystery


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When the films of Woody Allen are discussed - this title rarely comes up. I'm not saying it's on par with Annie Hall or Radio Days - but this is a post about under-rated films - and I think Manhattan Murder Mystery was so under-rated as to be completely ignored. Some people don't like it when Woody Allen gets silly. I think he should get silly more often.

This is Woody Allen at his silliest. Diane Keaton and Woody Allen play a married couple, who are openly getting a tiny bit bored in their relationship. Not enough to have an affair, or to divorce ... but juuuuust enough to make the two of them a bit restless. Diane Keaton becomes CONVINCED that their kindly elderly next-door neighbor has murdered his wife. She begins to "investigate" the crime, even going so far as to break into this man's apartment to "look for clues". Let me make something clear: Diane Keaton's character is not a licensed detective. She's not a cop. She is a bored housewife, skulking around inappropriately in someone else's apartment..

Meanwhile, Woody Allen, who plays a book publisher, is "courting" an author - played to the HILT by Anjelica Huston - a woman who says, "I put myself through college playing poker." A woman who never takes off her sunglasses. A woman who stalks into rooms wearing head-to-toe black leather, who uses words like "perp" in casual conversation ("So the perp then says ..."), sucks up all the male attention, and stares other women down, making anyone in the room who happens to have a vagina feel TOTALLY irrelevant and invisible. She is so so so funny in this film.

The married couple -Diane and Woody - are kind of growing apart ... and eventually it is this "murder" that brings them back together.

I saw this film on a rainy afternoon in Chicago, with Mitchell - when it first came out. The movie theatre was nearly empty. And Mitchell and I howled and howled with laughter, as the hijinx ensue in this film. There's one insane 6-way scene - where the group of friends (who are now involved in the "homicide investigation") try to trick the "murderer" by playing him a fake spliced-together tape-recorded phone call that accuses him of the crime. It's Woody, Diane, Anjelica, Alan Alda (who is at his smarmy funniest best here), Ron Rivkin and Joy Behar ... all of them wrestling with 6 separate tape recorders, Anjelica Huston acting as the conductor - It's one of the most comedic scenes in a film since What's Up Doc. And I'm not talking about American Pie or Something About Mary which is what passes for humor nowadays. I'm talking about true COMEDY - comedy that comes from out of the situation, comes from characters who are desperate ...

The movie has perfect pitch. It's Woody at his most optimistic, his most kind.

It's also an undiscovered comedic gold mine.


More under-rated movies to come ... whenever ... this will be ongoing ...

Posted by sheila
Comments

I gave 5 of these at another site, but I'll try to go for 10.

October Sky--I really like this movie. It carries personal significance as my Grandfather was a coalminer in southern West Virginia about 20-30 miles from where the movie takes place, and I was alive when the movie takes place. I remember him coming home from the mines with his face and hands as black as, well, coal. I have many relatives who lived the mining part of this as depicted in the film. Beyond that, this is a great story. I love the black and white film clips of the real people at the end of the movie.

Little Big Man--One of my alltime favorite movies. It isn't perfect, but it has it all--humor, slapstick, history, great performances, and some scenes of incredible emotional impact. The scene where Little Big Man sees his Indian wife and baby murdered never fails to evoke a powerful response in me.

Tender Mercies--This is cheating a little as Robert Duvall one a Best Actor Oscar for this movie, but it seems largely forgotten. It is a quiet movie filled with small moments. Everyone in this movie is terrific.

Streetwise--This is a documentary about kids living on the streets of Seattle. It shook me up so much that I could hardly talk when I came out of the theater. For those who don't know me, that is considered nearly impossible.

Never Cry Wolf--Another quiet movie. It has incredible music, cinematography, and scenery in it. At times, it feels like you are watching a particularly absorbing National Geographic Special.

The Black Robe--Similar in some ways to Never Cry Wolf. It follows a Jesuit priest in his missionary travels in Canada back in the 1600s. I know, that description sounds tedious, but it is a movie of gritty realism that tackles some difficult cultural/religious issues with a deft touch.

Robinson Crusoe on Mars--OK, allow me one childhood selection. I saw this movie by myself in an empty theater back when I was a young boy, and thought it was the greatest thing ever. I saw it again recently with my son, and I thought it was pretty good given the absurd title. There are some great special effects, and the locales are convincing, particularly given it was made in 1964. Not a "great" film, but way ahead of its time, and it is completely, totally, absolutely forgotten.

Only Angels Have Wings--I am echoing Sheila's pick. This is a great movie, that deserves to be better known, and better admired. This is my favorite Rita Hayworth performance. If she was oxygen, one big breath of her, and you could stay underwater for 10 minutes--whatever that means.

Amarcord--This is a Fellini flick, so it isn't really forgotten, although you rarely see it in any list of his films. It is simpler and more accessible than his other films, which might be why it is ignored. This isn't a perfect movie, but it has some great scenes filled with the joy and wonder of life.

Manhattan--Not really forgotten, but it sometimes seems like it gets lost in Annie Hall's shadow. This is my favorite Woody Allen movie, from the opening shots and music, to Mariel Hemingway, to the camera's love for New York, to a really funny line about orgasms, this is just a great, great movie.

Posted by: DBW at May 17, 2006 3:14 PM

Sheila, I couldn't agree with you more about Dogfight. Have you seen Household Saints? It's this wonderful little movie with Lili Taylor, Vincent Dinofrio, and Tracey Ullman. It's definitely on my list of under-rated gems.

I wish Lili Taylor was in more movies. And I miss River Phoenix so much.

Posted by: Erik at May 17, 2006 3:15 PM

Eric - I LOVE Household Saints!!

Nancy Savoca is so interesting - she seems to be doing mostly TV now - but not a hell of a lot of it. Weird- it seems to me she's a true talent, with a really original take on things.

Have you seen the Bettie Page film yet? Lily Taylor has a really nice part in it - it's always good to see her. She was unbeLIEVable in her sad sad recurring part on 6 Feet Under. She's one of my favorite actresses.

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 3:18 PM

DBW - wow, I want to read your comment over and over and over. Thank you so much - good good stuff there. You articulate yourself so well, I think.

We have similar tastes in films - many of my faves on your list as well. And I admit I got goosebumps with what you said about Rita.

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 3:19 PM

Oh and Eric - ditto on that bastard River Phoenix. DAMN HIM. What a talent.

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 3:28 PM

DBW - I've seen Streetwise! Mary Ellen Mark, the photographer, came out with a book accompanying it. Haunting.

Recently, on IFC they did a "where are they now" thing - it was a 2 hour show, where they tracked down all those kids (those that were still alive, that is).

Most of the stories ended as you would imagine.

Tiny is still alive. She's gotta be a couple years younger than I am - but she looks like she's pushing 50. It is just heartbreaking.

What a human being. I'll never forget her.

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 3:40 PM

"Pushing 50." God forbid. You forget, but we have talked about Streetwise before. I saw the special, too. You are right. Tiny looked old and worn out.

If I had known you were going to do more than skim my comments, I would have spent more time on them. I would have used a lot more adjectives--Ha.

Posted by: DBW at May 17, 2006 3:50 PM

Sheila, when I mentioned Household Saints, I totally didn't realize that it was directed by the same director (Nancy Savoca) as Dog Fight. Bless Nancy for casting Lili Taylor in two of her best performances.

Oh, and I absolutely hated Lisa on Six Feet Under, but I loved Lili (because I don't think we were really supposed to like Lisa)--what I mean is, she did an amazing job of creating this woman who annoyed the hell out of me (but whom I totally believed). I haven't seen the Bettie Page movie yet (have I missed it? has it already come and gone? or did you see a screening? or did it open in NY but not in LA yet???), but I want to.

Also, those actors look like they're having so much fun in Manhattan Murder Mystery, which adds so much to the movie and makes it even funnier--because you feel like these characters have never had so much fun in their lives and they are giddy about how much fun their having. Like, it feels rooted in the story (even though you can tell it's also the actors having fun). Whereas in a movie like Ocean's 12, or 11, or whatever, I felt like I was watching a lot of actors on vacation having all of this fun that I wasn't privy to. You know what I mean? (I'm just trying to say that I like MMM too.)

Posted by: Erik at May 17, 2006 3:51 PM

DBW - I can't remember our conversation about Streetwise - sorry!!!

Not that pushing 50 is bad - but if you look like you're pushing 50 and you're 32 you have some problems.

hahaha

I mean, it's not even funny, but still - haha.

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 4:12 PM

Erik - great point about the whole "actors on vacation" thing - you are so right!!

Totally - wiht Manhattan Murder Mystery - this murder ends up bringing everyone to some new level in their lives - and yes, they are having the most fun ever.

How about the FAKE AUDITION they set up with that bimbo actress??

hahahahahahahahahaha

And then the brief shots of Alan Alda's long conversation with her - we go back to the scene and she's saying, breezily, "So that was after my third abortion ..."

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 4:13 PM

Okay....wow. Can I just say I've only seen 3 of the films on your list????!!!

I've NEVER seen the Allen movie. OhmaGod. I feel like a jerk. I'm going out tomorrow and renting it. That's that.

Posted by: Alex at May 17, 2006 4:35 PM

Alex - shit, I wish I were there! I wish Mitchell and I were both there to see it with you!

We STILL quote that movie to each other.

Diane saying to Woody, "This is MY CASE, honey!"

And he is looking at her like: "Who are you and what have you done with my wife??"

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 4:37 PM

Alex - and you haven't seen Only Angels, right? What else haven't you seen?

I am always amazed when I have seen a movie that you haven't.

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 4:41 PM

I have to add in Stoneboy with Duvall and Glenn Close. Utterly heartbreaking movie with some of the best damn acting I've ever seen. I think of it as a companion piece to Tender Mercies, one of those quiet films that captures that midwest rhythm.

Also, one of the greatest sins a director can commit is to make a good actor look bad. That f-ing remake of The Haunting, I was so embarassed for Lili Taylor. And it seemed to knife any momentum her career had going at that point.

Posted by: Scotter at May 17, 2006 4:55 PM

I don't think Lily Taylor's career has ever depended on momentum, though. She's not that kind of actress. Besides - her 6 Feet Under stint came after The Haunting. That brought her face to a MUCH wider public than most of her films ever could.

I totally agree that Lisa the character was nearly unbearable ... but wasn't she just so good?? You felt for her, but you also just wanted her to SHUUUUUT UP.

She's been around forever, doing solid work in tiny movies that nobody sees - or sometimes looking lost in bigger movies - but she's always been there. That chick will be acting long after Charlize Theron et al throw in the towel.

And speaking of Taylor: Erik I saw the Bettie Page movie a couple weeks ago. It has a limited release, I think - I saw it here in Manhattan, but it wasn't a special screening, or anything. It was open to the public.

She's so great!

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 5:01 PM

By the way - I have about 15 more movies to add to this list ... but I'm gonna do it in pieces. It was too much to put it all up at once!

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 5:02 PM

Didn't "Zero Effect" feel as if it should have been the first in a franchise? Pullman's character, and Ben Stiller's as a complement, were made for a franchise. I remember finishing watching it on video and thinking I needed to go catch up on the rest of the series. We ought to have witnessed further adventures of Daryl Zero, and they only scratched the surface of that character. I remain disappointed they cheated us out of the sequels.

Posted by: Steve Ely at May 17, 2006 5:36 PM

Steve - it DEFINITELY felt that way. I bet if the film had made more money it might have gone that way. I so wanted to see more of that guy.

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 5:42 PM

I loved the scenes of him in the gym "working out" ... it just makes me laugh.

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 5:46 PM

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Manhattan Murder Mystery is one of my favorite movies of all time. I remember seeing it in the theater when I was in college, and completely losing it in my seat. That's how hard that movie makes me laugh.

And it's no one singular particular thing, either. The whole package is so complete, and the actors are so super, as you pointed out, that the film just clicks. And the results are hysterical (the dialogue is genius-level stuff).

One of my favorite lines in any movie comes when Diane and Woody are walking out of the Metropolitan Opera, and Diane is on his case for leaving, even though she sat through a whole Rangers game for him (in the opening scene)...

DIANE: "Hey, the deal was, I sit through the whole hockey game and you have to watch the whole opera."

WOODY: "I couldn't. Something happens to me when I listen to too much Wagner. I feel the sudden urge to invade Poland..."

What a great movie. A must-see.

Posted by: Alex Nunez at May 17, 2006 9:36 PM

Umm, "singular particular" is not what I meant to write, just FYI. Oops.

Posted by: Alex Nunez at May 17, 2006 9:41 PM

alex - hahahahahahahaha Such a funny line -

I love the whole exchange when they're lying in bed and she's raving about her "murder case" - and Woody throws out the theory that Mrs. Haus is a twin. Maybe there's more than one of her!

The dynamic between the two of them in that scene - and how Diane Keaton kind of can't stop herself from cracking up every time she says the word "twin" ... hahahaha

And also when Woody pleads with her, "Please! Stop this! Leave some craziness for menopause!!"

I need to see this movie right now!

I loooooove Alan Alda in this one, too. hahahaha Every scene is just SO GOOD!!

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 10:15 PM

And I honestly feel like no one has seen this movie except for Mitchell and me ... It's so good to hear from other fans - It's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 10:15 PM

Here's one of mine:

The Limey - My favorite Steven Soderbergh film. It's a revenge story that follows a recently released British criminal named Wilson (Terence Stamp) who travels to L.A. to find his daughter's killer. He enlists the help of a local (Luis Guzman) who knew his daughter to help him dig up the dirt on the man he's after, a big-time record producer played by Peter Fonda. Terence Stamp is so cool in this film that you want to BE him. Luis Guzman is his usual excellent self, and Fonda is just brilliant as the rich guy who tries his best to be detatched about the situation but realizes he's gotten himself in to something that his money and power can't get him out of. Finally, Barry Williams is superb in a secondary role as Fonda's chief of security.

The Limey is a film that should be required viewing for film students everywhere. It's a dreadfully stylish, modern noir with great characters and fascinating relationships. Soderbergh does something brilliant by using scenes from a 1967 film Stamp made called "Poor Cow" as flashbacks to a young Wilson's past showing him interact with his wife and daughter before he went away to prison. The device works perfectly. The "mainstream" stuff Soderbergh is universally lauded for is good, but this is on a whole other level.

Others I'd add to my list:

Hard Eight, Deep Cover, Wyatt Earp, Out of Sight, Midnight Run, Call Northside 777, Once Upon A Time In The West, Flirting With Disaster

I'm sure I'll think of more.

Posted by: Alex Nunez at May 17, 2006 10:33 PM

Hey! Flirting with disaster is on my list too!! It will be forthcoming! LOVE that movie. uhm - Richard Jenkins? Excuse me, brilliance? And Lily Tomlin and Alan Alda? hahahahahahaha

And God, Midnight Run - what a fun fun movie.

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 10:35 PM

Sheila,

And in the same scene (I believe) where he says "Leave some craziness for menopause!" as Diane blows off his protestations and heads next door, Woody at the door saying, "I FORBID you!", while holding up his index finger, standing there like a schlep in his t-shirt. The body language as he sags his shoulders and follows, knowing he lost the battle, is great.

Posted by: Alex Nunez at May 17, 2006 10:37 PM

bwahahahahahahahaha i am shaking with laughter

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 10:38 PM

And how about Diane Keaton and Alan Alda on their "stakeout"? Randomly shouting "HELEN" out of the car window and then HIDING??

Like - guys ... what the fuck are you doing????

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 10:40 PM

Richard Jenkins is the older of the two gay FBI agents, right? God, I'm laughing just thinking about it...

Flirting With Disaster is what Woody Allen films would be if Woody still made funny movies.

Also, Lonnie is one of the Greatest Characters In The History Of The Cinema. I will not discuss the hilarity of Lonnie any further. I trust you will address this tpic in Part II.

Posted by: Alex Nunez at May 17, 2006 10:41 PM

LOL "HELEN!!! Duck, hurry!"

And when woody breaks the lamp in the hotel where they go in to find Mrs. House.

WOODY (fumbling): "Oh, JE-sus! I did damage!"

Posted by: Alex Nunez at May 17, 2006 10:43 PM

Yeah, Richard Jenkins is the bitter gay FBI guy - who ends up going on the unfortunate acid trip. He's lying on the floor and freaking out and crying and Lily Tomlin is "talking him down" as Alan Alda beams on in pride ...

and Lonnie!!! hahahahahaha That guy still works all the time. I love Lonnie.

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 10:44 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "Oh Je-sus I did damage!"

Also when Diane Keaton says, with this raving gleam in her eyes, "I am gonna bust this case wide open!" and Woody just loses it - "what case? What are you DOING??"

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 10:45 PM

Manhattan Murder Mystery was on HDNet Movies last month, so it's still fresh in my mind. And it also has the highly-coveted "Save Until I Delete" status on my TiVo.

Posted by: Alex Nunez at May 17, 2006 10:45 PM

HAHAHAHA

yes! The sheer incredulity Woody shows toward Diane's obsession with her "case" is played for laughs to no end. And it never stops being funny.

Posted by: Alex Nunez at May 17, 2006 10:47 PM

I also love the tape-recorder scene - all 6 of them with tape recorded snippets and then Mr. Haus asks a question into the phone - and there's a pause - all 6 of them kind of pause - and Ron Rivkin (LOVE HIM) says, kind of somberly, yet very matter of factly, looking around at everyone - "We don't have an answer for that."

I am shaking with laughter

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 10:47 PM

The tape recorder scene is completely insane. I really need to buy that DVD.

Posted by: Alex Nunez at May 17, 2006 10:57 PM

Me too! It's so JOYFUL. Just so manic and fun!!

Posted by: red at May 17, 2006 10:58 PM

I loved talking about it! So glad you included it in your list. I saw that and thought, "It's not just me, then..."

Posted by: Alex Nunez at May 17, 2006 11:05 PM

That was so fun, Alex - I lay in bed last night before going to sleep, randomly guffawing about "I FORBID it" ... hahaha Woody suddenly trying to be a forbidding commanding husband as his wife peeks thru the peep hole at the murderer next door. hahahahaha

Posted by: red at May 18, 2006 8:01 AM

Ahhh Zero Effect. Nice. I prefer the following voice-over on finding things:

Now, a few words on looking for things. When you go looking for something specific, your chances of finding it are very bad. Because of all the things in the world, you're only looking for one of them. When you go looking for anything at all, your chances of finding it are very good. Because of all the things in the world, you're sure to find some of them.

Posted by: Marti at May 18, 2006 9:23 AM

Marti - so so good! I just love the script for that movie.

Posted by: red at May 18, 2006 5:55 PM