Next up on the essays shelf:
Life Stories: Profiles from The New Yorker, edited by David Remnick
Life Stories is a collection of “profiles” from The New Yorker, edited by David Remnick.
In 1978, influential theatre critic (and enormously entertaining writer – I haven’t read his diaries yet, but I will!) Kenneth Tynan wrote a profile of Johnny Carson for The New Yorker. He had had some business dealings with Carson, which he is open about in the profile. Because of that personal relationship, he was able to get access to Carson (which was notoriously difficult), and all of Carson’s friends, who spoke openly and honestly about the man. The piece is not a puff piece, it does not ONLY flatter. That’s what makes it so fascinating. It attempts to deal with the sheer impact of Carson on American life, and on television, and how his position, at the time, was unrivaled. There were other talk show hosts, and popular ones, but none of them even came close to dominating the American viewers the way Carson did. His ratings were astronomical. More people watched him than didn’t watch him. Tynan tracks that journey, where Carson came from, his background, his jobs up to the point of taking on The Tonight Show, but the piece is far richer and more nuanced than just a biographical sketch.
Tynan watches the show and analyzes certain bits, why they work, how Carson survives bad jokes, how Carson is totally in control – except when he isn’t, and when he isn’t, he can turn it into comedy gold. He has a “whimsical” streak, which kept things loose for him, and of course nobody could touch him in terms of comic timing. But Carson brought something else to the table. He brought a quality of listening that was quite unique. Of course, if you bored him, he wouldn’t tolerate it, and would cut to commercial more often than not. Get this boring bozo outta here. But if you entertained him, he knew how to sit back and give you the floor.
Many many comedians owe him their livelihoods. “He made me.” “He started me.” “Being on Carson changed my life.” Etc.
None of this can easily explain the charm and depth of Tynan’s piece, which is often laugh-out-loud funny, and not just because of some of the hilarious quotes from Carson, but because of Tynan’s particular gift of description, analysis, word choice. He, in some ways, bemoans Carson’s middle-of-the-road approach, and wonders if Carson misses being more radical, more political. Trying to please everyone means, of course, that you will disappoint many. But Carson walked a high-wire act with his guests, night after night after night, and unless you grew up at a time when he reigned supreme, it is very difficult to describe how omnipresent he was. Tynan makes the point that as giant a star as he was in America, his fame did not really translate into other countries. It was too topical, too American, too ripped-from-the-headlines. Carson could travel to Europe (which he rarely did) and walk around totally anonymous.
A favorite quote from the piece: An interviewer asked Carson, “What made you a star?” Carson replied, “I started out in a gaseous state, and then I cooled.”
I was fascinated by the images given to me, by Tynan, of Carson at a party (he rarely attended parties), and how he maneuvered socially. He could be chilly, he could be distant, but then he could be very warm, too. He held his cards close to the chest, but at the same time, if you saw him on The Tonight Show, you’d think that there’s be nothing better than to be listened to by this man! He was excellent with children, animals, and the elderly. I always enjoyed those spots on the show. He really seemed to relax then. And then of course, when he would have Don Rickles on, or Mel Brooks, he was able to just sit back and be an audience, because they would take over. It must have been a relief.
The piece is enormous, with multiple parts, but I’ll excerpt a bit of it with a hilarious anecdote from Robert Blake about what it was like to appear on that show.
Life Stories: Profiles from The New Yorker, edited by David Remnick; ‘Fifteen Years of the Salto Mortale’, by Kenneth Tynan
Since a good deal of what follows consists of excerpts from the journal of a Carson-watcher, I feel bound to declare a financial interest, and to admit that I have derived pecuniary benefit from his activities. During the nineteen-sixties, I was twice interviewed on the “Tonight Show.” For each appearance I received three hundred and twenty dollars, which was then the minimum payment authorized by aftra, the TV and radio performers’ union. (The figure has since risen to four hundred and twenty-seven dollars.) No guest on the show, even if he or she does a solo spot in addition to just chatting, is paid more than the basement-level fee. On two vertiginous occasions, therefore, my earning power has equalled that of Frank Sinatra, who in November, 1976, occupied the hot seat on Carson’s right for the first time. (A strange and revealing encounter, to which we’ll return.) Actually, “hot” is a misnomer. To judge from my own experience, “glacial” would be nearer the mark. The other talk shows in which I have taken part were all saunas by comparison with Carson’s. Merv Griffin is the most disarming of ego strokers; Mike Douglas runs him a close second in the ingratiation stakes; and Dick Cavett creates the illusion that he is your guest, enjoying a slightly subversive private chat. Carson, on the other hand, operates on a level of high, freewheeling, centrifugal banter that is well above the snow line. Which is not to say that he is hostile. Carson treats you with deference and genuine curiosity. But the air is chill; you are definitely on probation.
Mort Sahl, who was last seen on the “Tonight Show” in 1968, described to me not long ago what happens when a guest fails to deliver the goods. “The producer is crouching just off camera,” he said, “and he holds up a card that says, ‘Go to commercial.’ So Carson goes to a commercial, and the whole team rushes up to his desk to discuss what went wrong. It’s like a pit stop at Le Mans. Then the next guest comes in, and—I promise you this is true—she’s a girl who says straight out that she’s a practicing lesbian. The card goes up again, only this time it means, ‘Come in at once, your right rear wheel is on fire.’ So we go to another commercial. . . .” Sahl is one of the few performers who are willing to be quoted in dispraise of Carson. Except for a handful of really big names, people in show business need Carson more than he needs them; they hate to jeopardize their chance of appearing on the program that pays greater dividends in publicity than any other. “Carson’s assumption is that the audience is dumb, so you mustn’t do difficult things,” Sahl continued. “He never takes serious risks. His staff will only book people who’ll make him look artistically potent. They won’t give him anyone who’ll take him for fifteen rounds. The whole operation has got lazy.”
When an interviewer from Playboy asked Robert Blake whether he enjoyed doing the “Tonight Show,” he gave a vivid account of how it feels to face Carson. He began by confessing that “there’s a certain enjoyment in facing death, periodically.” He went on:
There’s no experience I can describe to you that would compare with doing the “Tonight Show” when he’s on it. It is so wired, and so hyped, and so up. It’s like Broadway on opening night. There’s nothing casual about it. And it’s not a talk show. It’s some other kind of show. I mean, he has such energy, you got like six minutes to do your thing. . . . And you better be good. Or they’ll go to the commercial after two minutes. . . . They are highly professional, highly successful, highly dedicated people. . . . The producer, all the federales are sittin’ like six feet away from that couch. And they’re right on top of you, man, just watchin’ ya. And when they go to a break, they get on the phone. They talk upstairs, they talk to—Christ, who knows? They talk all over the place about how this person’s going over, how that person’s going over. They whisper in John’s ear. John gets on the phone and he talks. And you’re sittin’ there watchin’, thinkin’, What, are they gonna hang somebody? . . . And then the camera comes back again. And John will ask you somethin’ else or he’ll say, “Our next guest is. . .”
Carson’s office Suite at Burbank is above the studio in which, between 5:30 and 7 p.m., the show is taped. Except for his secretary, the rest of the production team occupies a crowded bungalow more than two hundred yards away, outside the main building. “In the past couple of months,” a receptionist in the bungalow said to me not long ago, “I’ve seen Mr. Carson in here just once.” Thus the king keeps his distance—not merely from his colleagues but from his guests, with whom he never fraternizes either before or after the taping. Or hardly ever: he may decide, if a major celebrity is on hand, to bend the rule and grant him or her the supreme privilege of prior contact. But such occasions are rare. As Orson Welles said to me, “he’s the only invisible talk host.” A Carson guest of long standing, Welles continued, “Once, before the show, he put his head into my dressing room and said hello. The effect was cataclysmic. The production staff behaved the way the stagehands did at the St. James’s Theatre in London twenty-five years ago when Princess Margaret came backstage to visit me. They were in awe! One of Carson’s people stared at me and said, ‘He actually came to see you!’ “ (Gust of Wellesian laughter.) Newcomers like me are interviewed several days in advance by one of Carson’s “talent coördinators,” who makes a list of the subjects on which you are likely to be eloquent or funny. This list is in Carson’s head as you plunge through the rainbow-hued curtains, take a sharp right turn, and just avoid tripping over the cunningly placed step that leads up to the desk where you meet, for the first time, your host, interrogator, and judge. The studio is his native habitat. Like a character in a Harold Pinter play, or any living creature in a Robert Ardrey book, you have invaded his territory. Once you are on Carson’s turf, the onus is on you to demonstrate your right to stay there; if you fail, you will decorously get the boot. You feel like the tourist who on entering the Uffizi Gallery, in Florence, was greeted by a guide with the minatory remark “Remember, Signore, that here it is not the pictures that are on trial.” Other talk hosts flatter their visitors with artificial guffaws; Carson laughs only when he is amused. All I recall of my first exposure to the Carson ordeal is that (a) I had come to discuss a controversial play about Winston Churchill, (b) the act I had to follow was the TV début of Tiny Tim, who sang “Tip Toe Through the Tulips,” (c) Carson froze my marrow by suddenly asking my opinion not of Churchill but of General de Gaulle, and (d) from that moment on, fear robbed me of saliva, so that my lips clove to my gums, rendering coherent speech impossible. The fault was mine, for not being the sort of person who can rise to Carson’s challenge—i.e., a professional performer. There is abundant evidence that comedians, when they are spurred by Carson, take off and fly as they cannot in any other company. David Brenner, who has been a regular Carson guest since 1971, speaks for many young entertainers when he says, “Nowhere is where I’d be without the ‘Tonight Show.’ It’s a necessary ingredient. . . . TV excels in two areas—sports and Carson. The show made my career.”
There was something about Carson that made me actually want to keep watching after the opening monologue and any skits, and listen to the guests. From this description I would guess it was the basic “is a guest being interesting? Yes (keep going), No (cut to commercial).”
In Tynan’s piece there are a couple of chilling descriptions of guests who didn’t go over well, or who were boring, etc. Tuesday Weld said to him, “I’ll tell you more about such-and-such NEXT time I’m on your show” – and Johnny C. didn’t like that. Interesting.
I’ll never forget the final episode with Bette Midler. ACK. Emotional!
I remember once when Richard Pryor was a guest, Carson introduced him as the funniest man alive (which I would agree with) and Pryor started giving Johnny a hard time about living up to that. “Now all the folks at home with the TV on in their bedrooms are going to stop what they are doing and expect something really spectacular from me” or words to that effect.
The Midler final (next to last, right?) episode was something. I wasn’t expecting her, in the sense that she wasn’t one of the World’s Biggest Stars – but she must have really entertained him on previous visits to be given that plum. And she repaid him with magic.
She’s a goddess. He knew she would send him off right.
But I think even he was surprised by his own emotion. You can see it all over him when she finished the song. Like: Oh shit, I’m gonna lose it.
Perfect television. A perfect send-off. Old-school.
I think “old school” is the right description. Not in the sense that “people don’t do that any more,” but more in the sense of the craft being taken seriously. John Wayne’s “if you’re going to make a gesture” dictum that you’ve used several times.
Definitely. She’s a diva. She’s in the continuum of Judy Garland … she knew what was required, and she knew that her performance couldn’t be “all about her” – something else was required. A sendoff.
Amazing!!
and ha, love that Richard Pryor anecdote! He had that self-deprecating anxious thing that he did that was so freakin’ honest – nobody like him. There’s a profile of him in this collection – I’ll excerpt it soon.
I’m looking forward to that. I re-watched his “Live on Sunset Strip” concert movie a couple of months ago – the one he did after his terrible burning. It was as funny and as powerful as I had remembered. I don’t know who the funniest person alive is now, but I know who it was then.
Oh yeah. That concert, wow – we were just talking about it on FB. I love when he goes to Africa and basically turns into a cheetah. “Get your ass outta the car ….”
But there’s so much that is incredible about that concert. Wow.
Kim Morgan just wrote a phenomenal piece about that concert – they were playing it at the Aero in Santa Monica – let me find the link for you.
Here’s Kim’s piece:
http://sunsetgun.typepad.com/sunsetgun/2013/06/fire-is-inspirational-richard.html
Yeah, it was Kim’s piece that inspired me to re-watch. Isn’t everything she writes just incredible?
You know, to continue with the Carson comments… I’m sure it’s not “just one thing” that made him excel, but the ruthless devotion to being entertaining (and not always nice to the guests) is certainly a big part in what you’ve excerpted. I think Letterman will allow his guests to be train wrecks – which can produce a different kind of watchability – and Carson would just cut to the commercials. It seems a bit more respectful to the audience to say “we won’t make you sit through this,” rather than hoping that Farrah’s skirt will hike up too high (and the cameraman will be chosen who captures that timeless moment).
Yeah, I see what you’re saying.
It’s still a pleasure to watch those old interviews. It has a different quality than Cavett (another favorite of mine) – perhaps more on-the-surface, but there’s a charming quality to the dynamic that is quite relaxing (when it works).
I loved his bits too, the ridiculous sketches … and even though he wanted to appeal to middle-of-the-road America, you never felt like he dumbed himself down – the way Leno does. He just specifically AVOIDED huge areas of conversation.
This is fascinating. I was a bit young to be a true Carson fan. He was a celebrity I took for granted throughout my childhood, and I only occasionally caught his broadcasts. It wasn’t until recent years, after seeing rebroadcasts of interviews (including the TCM series last month), that I was able to appreciate how truly gifted Carson was as a host. I find many of his monologues to be uncomfortable, but his interviews have me glued to my seat, most particularly when you least expect the guest to rise to the occasion.
Yes, it really is unique, what he did. It seems to me that he loved it best when he got to just sit back and be entertained. But then, too, he was great when he was silly. There was that battle-of-the-whipped-cream that he had with Burt Reynolds that is still SO ENTERTAINING to watch – it’s on Youtube. You can see why Burt R. was such a favorite guest.
Another timely post, Sheila! I’m about to forward the link to your post about Mel Brooks & Cary Grant. I don’t know what’s best in that clip: Mel Brooks, Carson’s reactions, or the cameraman desperately trying to follow Brooks around the stage (and doing quite well with it too).
The TCM series was such a treat. The show was “dad stuff” (meaning for old folks) while it was on the air, as far as my teenage self was concerned. Just as well I missed it because I wouldn’t have appreciated it as I do now. It really was TV for grownups, and was mostly lacking the snark that often passes for humor these days (except for Oliver Reed with Shelley Winters, but that was hardly Carson’s fault).
I’m sorry I missed the TCM series!
And yes, I love how the cameraman realizes immediately with the Mel Brooks spot, Oops, gotta pull back, move around. Hysterical.
There needs to be a DVD of only Burt Reynolds’ appearances on Carson. I’d buy that shit today. I have vivid memories of lying in my room, right off the living room, and hearing my dad just *howl* with laughter at them.
hahaha TOTALLY. His spots were amazing. I wonder if someone’s put them all together on Youtube somewhere. Didn’t he shave off half of his mustache on the show? Like sitting right there? Did I imagine that?
He was so charming.
I have those same memories, Lisa, of hearing my parents roar downstairs watching Carson. They let me stay up to watch Steve Martin’s appearance – he roller skated around wearing his King Tut outfit, or maybe an arrow through his head and was absolutely insane. It really was so grown-UP. You could FEEL it. People smoked. People were all sexy-pants and risqué. I didn’t get any of the jokes. But we had done a King Tut skit in school, King Tut took over the nation, so they let me stay up to watch it. Funny the things you remember!