{"id":108583,"date":"2003-05-06T11:16:05","date_gmt":"2003-05-06T15:16:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.sheilaomalley.com\/?p=108583"},"modified":"2022-11-19T08:51:26","modified_gmt":"2022-11-19T13:51:26","slug":"interview-with-james-frey-eye-roll","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.sheilaomalley.com\/?p=108583","title":{"rendered":"Embarrassing Interview with James Frey: He Really Really Wants You To Be Impressed"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Does James Frey (whose first book, <i>A Million Little Pieces<\/i>, will be published in April by Nan A. Talese\/Doubleday) actually talk like this? Reading the interview in the New York Observer reminds me of the experiences I have had, usually at parties, where I meet someone so intent on impressing me, and also so intent on not seeming like he is trying to impress me (it&#8217;s always a He, sorry, boys), that the obviousness of the behavior is so embarrassing I don&#8217;t know how to handle it. The behavior BEGS to be addressed. And yet the social contract assumes that I have to sit there and listen and smile and nod. Like: how can he not understand how he comes across? Does he think I&#8217;m fooled? Does he think I&#8217;m an idiot? Vulnerability such as that is so painful to witness that it almost brings out a tender response. I feel strangely protective towards someone so clueless. Like: &#8220;Ouch &#8230; do you really want to show me that much at this early juncture in our non-existent relationship? Maybe hold back? Just a little?&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>The lack of self-awareness, the lack of realizing what exactly it is that he is saying, how he comes across, is astonishing. Cringe-worthy.<\/p>\n<p>Let me pick out some quotes from the Observer profile:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;The Eggers book pissed me off. [<i>A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius<\/i>] Because a book that I thought was mediocre was being hailed as the best book written by the best writer of my generation. F*** that. And f*** him and f*** anybody that says that. I don&#8217;t give a f*** what they think of me. I&#8217;m going to try to write the best book of my generation and I&#8217;m going to try to be the best writer. And maybe I&#8217;ll fall flat on my f***ing face, I&#8217;ll fall flat on my f***ing face trying to do it.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>You might fall flat on your face, but at least you&#8217;ll fall flat on your face while trying to fall flat on your face? Is your book as articulate as that?<\/p>\n<p>The following quote shows Mr. Frey&#8217;s humility:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;[<i>This one agent<\/i>] went ballistic over [<i>my manuscript<\/i>], called and said, &#8216;We&#8217;re going to turn you into an industry.&#8217; I said, &#8216;What are you talking about?&#8217; &#8216;You know who Deepak Chopra is?&#8217; I was like, &#8216;Yeah.&#8217; &#8216;You&#8217;re going to be the Deepak Chopra of recovery. We&#8217;re going to start a whole line of self-help books with your name on it. We&#8217;re going to publish your own version of the Tao. We&#8217;re going to send you out on speaking tours. We&#8217;re going to build a religion around you.&#8217; I was like, &#8216;You must be f***ing kidding me!&#8217; I very much admired the enthusiasm, but it was bizarre.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>There&#8217;s something off here.  I don&#8217;t trust him.  He exudes fragility but he THINKS he exudes Hemingway braggadocio.  It&#8217;s &#8220;off.&#8221; And no, Frey doesn&#8217;t think it&#8217;s &#8220;bizarre.&#8221; He&#8217;s bragging. <\/p>\n<p>It gets more obnoxious.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I guess I&#8217;m the poster boy for unconventional addiction thought. They were trying to lead me into saying certain things. They kept trying to get me to swear. Stossel was like, &#8216;I heard you swear a lot. I heard you&#8217;re feisty. Why won&#8217;t you swear for me?&#8217; Because my mom and my wife asked me not to. &#8216;Well forget about them, I need you to swear!&#8217; So I was like, &#8216;O.K., f*** you!&#8217; I&#8217;m terrified of what they&#8217;re going to do to me now. They&#8217;re going to cut me up.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Do you think using profanity is somehow new or shocking? <\/p>\n<p>But more revealing: Your years of therapy and 12-stepping have not helped you see what you actually are doing. You are NOT at ALL &#8220;terrified&#8221; of what &#8220;they&#8221; are going to &#8220;do&#8221; to you now. You love every second of it. You are not Randle Patrick McMurphy. Calm down.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;My wife calls me a savage. Because I eat with my hands. Because my best friends are my dogs. And I like pit bulls. And N.W.A. And I love boxing. I think boxing is beautiful. The purity of fighting is a beautiful thing. Writers aren&#8217;t like that anymore. All these guys who have f***ing masters&#8217; degrees and are so &#8216;sophisticated&#8217; and &#8216;educated&#8217; and &#8230; well, I&#8217;m not a guy with a master&#8217;s degree. I think I&#8217;m sophisticated. I can write big fat books. But I&#8217;m not an effete little guy.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What is he talking about? He sounds like he is afraid of being perceived as gay. He&#8217;s protesting way too much.<\/p>\n<p>So let&#8217;s go through that paragraph.  Are you implying, sir, that your love for your dogs makes you unique? Even though dogs are so commonly referred to as &#8220;Man&#8217;s Best Friend&#8221; that there is no way in hell that you could have MISSED it. It&#8217;s not like loving a Gila monster. Now that would make you unique, maybe. Although: who cares? If you honestly and truly love a Gila monster, that&#8217;s interesting, and good for you. But if you crow your love for Gila monsters as a way to SHOW me how &#8220;different&#8221; you are &#8230; that&#8217;s just sad.<\/p>\n<p>And what about NWA? I love NWA, too. I&#8217;m not sure why I would throw that fact around trying to make some point about it. Frey&#8217;s comment is a bit racist too: parroting his love of NWA as evidence that he is a &#8220;savage&#8221;. Additionally: Is he unaware of the fact that NWA are hugely successful platinum-album world-famous recording artists, which means, presumably, that millions of other people &#8220;like&#8221; them too? In other words: you are not a brave outlier, Jim. <\/p>\n<p>Additionally: many MANY people think boxing is beautiful, including writers FAR superior to you, James Frey. A.J. Liebling. Hemingway. William Hazlitt was a boxing fan in the 1700s, dipshit.  And you think you get shit for it NOW? (I highly doubt you get shit for it anyway. You&#8217;re just imagining things. Or, more likely: You wish you were getting MORE shit, because that would feed into your perception of yourself as a &#8220;savage&#8221; renegade-outsider.) Here&#8217;s an assignment, Mr. Frey: Go check out the responses from the &#8220;literati&#8221; of Hazlitt&#8217;s day to his essays about popular sport and boxing. Stop whining, baby-boy.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s something adolescent about how he lists his pig-like qualities. He presumes that his audience crooks their little fingers while taking delicate sips of tea on a green lawn in Connecticut somewhere. You can feel the mania, the adrenaline, at &#8220;shocking&#8221; people. He&#8217;s a teenage boy choosing to get a Mohawk or pierce his face to show how anti-establishment punk-rock he is, when the reality is that he is just trying to piss off his doting mother who still does his laundry.  A true rebel doesn&#8217;t glance around for the nearest authority figure to see how &#8220;outraged&#8221; said authority figure is. A true rebel does his thing and doesn&#8217;t care.  <\/p>\n<p>James Frey cares. Oh my God, how he cares.  <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>While he was in L.A., Mr. Frey acquired a number of tattoos, his own personal footnotes. &#8220;I&#8217;ve seen you glance at this one,&#8221; he said, displaying a row of letters on the inside of his left wrist: S.P.C.D.H.C. &#8220;Simplicity, Patience, Compassion, Discipline, Honesty, Courage,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Words to live by. When I see that, it reminds me that these things embody the person I want to be.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>He pulled back his shirt to reveal others. &#8220;That&#8217;s a symbol of birth and rebirth,&#8221; he said, pointing to a small phoenix. &#8220;That is a Taoist symbol of life. I have my wife&#8217;s initials on my chest. I very deliberately scar myself so that I remember these things. However twisted my logic may be, by scarring myself, I&#8217;m making a commitment to myself. I&#8217;m committed to the things on my wrist.&#8221; <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What the hell are you talking about? &#8220;I very deliberately scar myself so that I remember these things.&#8221; (As opposed to &#8220;sort of&#8221; deliberately scarring yourself?) &#8220;By scarring myself, I&#8217;m making a commitment to myself. I&#8217;m committed to the things on my wrist.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>One response is: you are free to feel things like that, I won&#8217;t stop you, but don&#8217;t SAY IT OUT LOUD.  <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve seen you glance at this one&#8221; he says. It&#8217;s embarrassing. Because he so WANTS to talk about the tattoo. He is DYING to talk about the tattoo. So he makes up a reason to talk about it, and I cringe at his transparency.<\/p>\n<p>Also (there is always an &#8220;also&#8221; with this guy): I have a tattoo too.  Lots of people do for lots of reasons. Tattoos are no longer just for WWII sailors carousing through Tahiti on a weekend leave, or for convicts, or Hell&#8217;s Angels guys. You are not as &#8220;bad&#8221; as ANY of those old-school-tattoo-people. You are not inventing the wheel. The wheel has been rolling for decades now. Who exactly is he talking to? It&#8217;s like he believes his main audience is the Queen Mum. <\/p>\n<p>Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is thinking, &#8220;Oooooohhhhhh that James Frey &#8230;.. he&#8217;s such a BADASS &#8230; he likes NWA, he likes boxing, he has tattoos, he&#8217;s so OUT THERE, so SCARY.&#8221;  The only people who feel that way, probably, are those who are equally as insecure and equally as filled with homosexual panic as James Frey. The fact that I sense he NEEDS that kind of horrified through-my-lorgnette response from me makes me go cold as a glacier. <\/p>\n<p>Then he trashes the literary stars of the day (Dave Eggers and David Foster Wallace), always a good ploy right before your first book comes out:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I think they&#8217;re full of bells and whistles and tricks and being cute and being ironic and being all this shit. To be honest, I don&#8217;t understand it. It&#8217;s not how I think or how I feel&#8230;Eggers and I are exactly the same age. If there&#8217;s a guy out there who is &#8216;The Guy&#8217; of my generation, it&#8217;s Eggers. In that sense, I was honored by the comparison.&#8221; <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ah, now that sounds a bit like truth.  You bitch and moan about Eggers, which is transparently envious, yet you are also &#8220;honored by the comparison&#8221;. <\/p>\n<p>Give me a raging asshole any day of the week, but spare me from the phonies.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;All that matters is what the feelings are and what the events are. It&#8217;s not about all this trickery. When I think about writing, I have a very simple formula: Where was I? Who was I with? What happened? And how did it make me feel? Those are the only important things. It doesn&#8217;t matter if I can write a sentence that&#8217;s a page long or if I have 30 pages of footnotes in the back or people chuckle at the introduction page. I want to move people and have them understand what I felt, what I went through and what I felt other people were feeling and going through.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And &#8230; let me get this straight &#8230; you are the first person to write in this manner? You are the first writer to ever &#8220;want to move people and have them understand&#8221;? No other writer has ever done this before? Ever? You sure? Have you read a book? Like, ever?<\/p>\n<p>Lastly:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t give a f*** what Jonathan Safran whatever-his-name does or what David Foster Wallace does. I don&#8217;t give a f*** what any of these people do. I don&#8217;t hang out with them, I&#8217;m not friends with them, I&#8217;m not part of the literati. I think of myself as outside of this publishing culture. Kirkus called me pretentious. Am I pretentious in my self-regard because I&#8217;m serious about what I do? Because I&#8217;m moving against the trend of irony? I don&#8217;t know. I hope I&#8217;m a bullet in the heart of that bullshit.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>First off: Adding &#8220;whatever-his-name&#8221; is not a cutting blow, since you so clearly and obviously know exactly what his name is. I think you care very very much what Eggers is doing, what David Foster Wallace is doing. You care a LOT. It does not surprise me that none of those men want to be friends with you. Not because they are members of the literati but because you are an unself-aware jerk.<\/p>\n<p>Frey, you are not a bullet through the heart of anything. <\/p>\n<p>You are a braggy bore. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Does James Frey (whose first book, A Million Little Pieces, will be published in April by Nan A. Talese\/Doubleday) actually talk like this? 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