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Absolutely the worst of what late-seasons Supernatural has to offer. I’d provide an itemised list but it’s too depressing. Not a single scene of interest, and many that actively work against any positive feeling the show ever generated. I am gobsmacked that this town situation is gonna be allowed to limp on another miserable week. Santa knows all your names and I hope all your Christmas presents this year are shithouse.
I struggled to feel invested. They were supposed to be at least a hundred escaped souls from hell, but the ghost gathering in the living room had only about 12. A little anti-climactic.
Are there no rules at all anymore? Seriously, it seems like the writers are just doing whatever they want without bothering with any justifications. They wanted Kevin back, so now supposedly he was in Hell instead of Heaven. Never mind that Anubis would have deemed him worthy to be sent upstairs and that it’s doubtful Crowley would have trapped him like he did Bobby. They didn’t want Kevin to go, so they make up this rule that a soul can’t go from Hell to Heaven, even though we’ve SEEN this happen with John Winchester and Bobby. Ugh. Also, if Kevin is a benevolent spirit, are there others like him? Or are all the rest vengeful and rabid yet also rational enough to host parlor meetings?
I was happy to see Chuck and Amara again, but why on Earth would God make a weapon that could actually hurt him?
There were too many times when I was screaming for someone to just shoot the ghost with rock salt already! You’d think they would know how to deal with ghosts after 14 years. I like the Winchesters best when they are competent, not when Ketch has to show up and play hero.
Why is Belphegor still alive? There has never been a good demon on this show. They help you when it helps them, and we don’t know his endgame yet. (I mean, I like him, but the brothers shouldn’t forget to be on their guard).
Were there even any good Dean scenes? Those are usually what save an episode for me. Oh well, this whole watching in real time thing is actually a little fun, gotta admit, and I look forward to rushing home again next Thursday to watch with my sister.
I often read the comments here and mostly agree and sometimes disagree a little. After the last episode I felt compelled to comment because I was so disappointed with that episode and normally I find at least something redeemable about an episode but not this one. I actually enjoyed episode one, it was fast paced and there was the Sam/Dean scene at the end which was a really good scene, but there were no brotherly moments in this episode. We got a scene with Dean and Cas that was a typically angry Dean and Cas saying there was still life, but … at this point Cas just keeps saying the same things over and over. His character is so redundant by this point and now he can’t even heal Ketch when last episode he was able to heal Sam!! No explanation given for it either. Why do the writers keep making Cas less powerful as time goes by? What is the point of Cas?
As for Ketch, his character was totally wasted in this episode, at least he had something useful to do in the Season 13 episode, when he and Dean went to the alternative world, but in this episode he was just a waste of space and the whole flirty thing with Rowena was so boring. They had no chemistry together and I can’t believe the writers even put those scenes in this episode. I was groaning the whole time.
I like seeing Kevin again but I’m so confused as to why he’s in hell and yeah, maybe Crowley had something to do with that, like he did to Bobby, but if memory serves me correctly, it was the angel Naomi who stopped Crowley from trapping Bobby’s soul in the forest and her alone that allowed his soul to transcend to heaven. There was no God/Chuck involved in that so I just don’t get why Sam (who should know better as he was there when Naomi helped Bobby’s soul) couldn’t call out the demon possessing Jack’s body on him saying now that God is gone Kevin can’t go to heaven and the rules have changed? To me this is just a plot hole and maybe lazy writing.
Dean seems to have just the one expression on his face these days, angry and well … angry. Sam had little to do this episode. Rowena was okay, apart from flirting with Ketch and I did quite enjoy Jack the Ripper ghost, but all in all, I’ll just be glad when this whole ghost thing is over.
The Amara and Chuck scenes were interesting, especially the last one and I guess the bullet did to do something to Chuck and when Chuck touched the bullet wound, Sam reacted at the same time so no doubt they are connected. And it seems Chuck is pretty powerless now and trapped. I have a feeling Amara might be about to pay Dean a little visit, hopefully she’ll clean up the whole mess Chuck has made with opening hell and put an end to our (viewers) misery with these boring ghosts episode.
I thought it would be a lot darker this season and I think the problem is that there are too many people, like all the town people in the school (kind of reminds me of when all the new people were in the bunker at the start of Season 14) and it doesn’t work. The action becomes plot driven instead of character driven and I think this has been the problem for the last couple of seasons. It’s changed it’s premise. It was so much stronger before because it was more character driven, because it was about Sam and Dean. This is what Supernatural used to be and what it’s sadly loss due to the writing.
The acting all around in this episode seemed to be lacking too, demon Jack was funny in episode one but even he seemed flatter in this episode, they all did. I really hope it gets better. This is the final season after all!! But I don’t know how much faith I have in Andrew Dabb anymore to make this good and I hope I’m wrong.
Terrible episode!! I truly couldn’t find one redeeming thing about it. More ridiculous ghosts, brothers mostly separated, not even a hint of a brother moment, and not even a glimpse of the car!!
I loved Kevin when he was on the show, but the retcon of Chuck sending him to hell and now he can’t be accepted into heaven?? (Hello John Winchester and Bobby Singer) Ugh just ugh.
I honestly thought maybe they were bringing Ketch in so they could kill him, but I guess not.
Hopefully the next episode will be better. This was written by my least favorite writers, but even they are capable of better than this!! This is the last season show. BE BETTER!!
I have lost the ability to bitch in a coherent manner about how weak and lazy the writing is on this show. But yes—I co-sign everything everyone said already.
1/2 star out of 5, and that’s because I got to look at beautiful men’s faces.
I don’t know–it feels a bit like they created this plot point with the abandoned town, and now they just have to write their way through it. I’m not saying that it’s entirely successful, btw, and there were things I didn’t like, but I didn’t hate it–I’ve been there with my own writing a few times. They are constrained by trying to keep the storytelling at a local level–hence, day and night must continue to happen, for one example, which leads to daytime ghosts. They are also constrained by budget–they don’t have Game of Thrones money to throw around. And granted, there are creative ways to work within a budget, like in season 5, when the Apocalypse pretty much happened on background television screens. But this constraint has been an issue on this show for a long time–at least since season 7. To keep loving this show means being ok with leviathans who never looked quite right, with a video game scenario in which the highest level has 2 Nazi Zombies shambling down the corridors instead of a hoard, with not enough time spent in Purgatory, with the king of Hell occupying a building in Massachusetts instead of actual Hell, with a whole lot of “I’ve seen that location/actor/special effect before.” My point is that the show has never had a perfect record, and yet, here we all still are.
The things I did like in this episode were the scenes between two characters, like the confrontation between Dean and Cas. I loved just the way Jensen said, “Don’t.” when Cas tried to bring up Mary. That whole conversation crackled for me, and I appreciated that it had a very different tone to the more comforting talk that the brothers had at the end of the last episode. I also liked that it felt unresolved.
The scenes with Chuck and Amara I also enjoyed–I’m happy to find unresolved issues there, to confirm that this relationship did not just have a happy ever after at the end of s.11. Amara’s final speech surprised me, I thought it was a clever twist, and Emily Swallow delivered it beautifully.
And Kevin. I agree, bringing him back felt forced. BUT. His final scene actually choked me up. It was bittersweet, and felt like a goodbye for a character who never got a proper one before.
All of this is my way of saying I’m still onboard. I wanted to like this episode more than I actually did, and I’m feeling a distressing disconnect towards the series (which began over the summer), but I’m still here.
Yes to the best parts being between two characters. Thanks for finding something positive!
Amara’s speech to Chuck at the end did have me glued to the screen, brilliantly delivered by the actress who plays Amara and it’s great to get some female empowerment as well. I did love seeing Kevin again, his departure at the end was so sad and I thought the actor portraying his character did a wonderful job, good acting on his behalf. I do love the strong character moments and this episode certainly did have a couple of scenes, Dean and Cas conversation was a strong moment, along with Amara and Chuck. So I guess not all was a total loss and the trailer for next weeks episode looks awesome.
Not all ghosts “come from” hell – this is bugging me. Like the Woman in White – she was just a restless spirit, haunted by her own end – they didn’t “send her to hell”, right?many of the ghosts they’ve encountered needed to be “put to rest” – demons come from hell, but not everything comes from hell. Think of Roadkill. She was a ghost, and she moved off into the light at the end.
I have a headache.
The episode was super dumb so it gave me too much time to think about inconsistencies like this.
and all of the ghosts standing around in their Threepenny Opera getups was embarrassing!
I now believe that Ketch and Rowena are kept around mainly to fill up convention slots and meet-and-greets – it’s like the conventions are why this has turned into an ensemble show. Because JA and JP aren’t going to go to every convention – so they need these third-tier people who don’t have anything else going on to show up and shake hands with fans. Ugh. I know Ketch and Rowena have their fans – it baffles me – and MICK? like, what? – and once again, THEY are given an “interesting” sub-plot with their (dumb) flirtation – and Sam and Dean get nothing interesting to do. This is the way the show is now, it’s the way it’s been since Dabb took over, and it’s kind of heartbreaking – but I admit I’m happy that JA and JP are getting out, and hopefully getting to go on and get roles that hopefully have more substance.
and – you know me – I loved the show once for how artful it was, how beautiful and stylish – this was a shockingly ugly episode – ugly looking. The only shot I thought had some art to it – and some beauty – was the nighttime shot of Dean and Ketch’s shadows on the pavement, moving towards the camera. That actually looked really good.
sorry I haven’t been around – will catch up with all of your comments!
Lolol Sheila, I know exactly the shot you mean because when it happened I was like I am personally affronted by how crisp those shadows are! But I suppose we have to celebrate anything with a touch of imagination in this one. It was remarkably ugly.
All of those ghosts just standing around in that random interior? Terrible. Terrible.
I am intrigued by Amara – as I always have been – Her line readings are so bizarre, and I get a kick out of her. but the scenes with Chuck were clunky – the whole thing is just OFF. and yet again – all of the ancillary characters have interesting scenes, but not Sam and Dean. I suppose Cas and Dean’s big standoff scene is pleasing a huge section of the fandom but I thought it was poorly written and didn’t pack NEARLY the punch it should have. You know? It was a MAJOR scene, but when everything around it is so poorly done, it’s like Pff, who cares. There’s no resonance – that’s what missing – the conflicts don’t resonate, buzz, take on lives of their own …
Like, Ketch slept with Mary. There’s bad blood with Ketch. But now he’s a “fan favorite” apparently – and so he’s treated very softly, and with affection – pandering to his fan base – which is just so OFF in terms of his actual function on the show – his actual plot line – and so it has no resonance.
Emotional conflict is there to be MINED, explored, developed. They have no idea how to do that anymore.
Like, member when the show actually invested in EXCELLENT adversaries? Like Gordon? Or Crowley? Or Lucifer back in the day? Now Ketch is all shmoopy in his blazer and kerchief (to come on a hunt??) – and Rowena is all adorable with insane makeup – and there’s just no TENSION with any of these characters.
Once upon a time you had to earn your way onto the show as a character. You had to prove your mettle by being a three-dimensional character who somehow had SOMEthing to do with Sam and Dean. Ellen and Jo. Gordon. Hell, Garth. But once Sam and Dean are no longer central – NONE of it can work properly. This is a testament to Erik Kripke’s initial design and how TIGHT it was. X-Files managed to go through a bazillion seasons without forgetting that the show was about THOSE TWO. I have no idea why this has become a controversial opinion in the SPN fandom but I am suspecting Cas has something to do with it. and the longer he stayed on past his welcome (Season 7) – the worse it got. Sorry, Cas fans – I thought he brought great stuff initially.
The show – as Kripke set it up – was flexible enough to allow other people into the Winchester Belljar (TM) – Bobby and Charlie and Sheriff Mills (although who knows what’s been going on with HER lately either) – and Sam and Dean’s various girls – Lisa and Amelia (you know I stan for her) – these were well-drawn characters who were brought in to dig us in deeper to SAM AND DEAN’S RELATIONSHIP. (I’m sorry for screaming).
Ketch and Rowena flirting pleases … who? and why is the show pandering to the fans of freakin KETCH and ROWENA and not US, those of us who love Sam and Dean? I don’t get it. I just do not get what is going on over there.
haha, I took so long composing my rant below that you answered your own post! Ketch is another rich asshole-ally with a silk pocket square and a good tailor. There are ways that can work, but why does it have to be the only way? You know. Asmodeus in his nice suit. Jesus even Donatello lived in a house five times the size of mine, and I live in a freestanding three-bedroom house.
I agree with everything you say. It’s rare that a character on screen exists to give us insight into Sam or Dean, or their relationship, or to bring something new out of them, make us see them in a different or interesting light. They are not at the centre. Last week Belphegor did serve that function, in particular with his conversations with Dean, and it was great; but that wasn’t there this week. For some viewers I know that the Dean-Cas theological discussion was engaging, but for me it wasn’t and I had trouble tracking Dean’s angry monologue to his character or an overarching storyline — it felt both simplistic and vague, but that could also have been because I was extremely distracted by the preposterous giant red oval on the map in the background and I immediately spun out on how silly the quarantine story is.
Unfortunately, J2 aren’t available for enough days, and attempting to make these tertiary characters interesting and capable of holding weight is the way these writers get around that fact. It’s not working (for me, obviously there are plenty of fans out there who did find the Ketch-Rowena scene fun, and what Cas is going through, etc) and I really wish that J2 had made themselves available for more time for this final season, or that the season had been shortened to compensate, or that the writers were more creative and SamnDean focused in dealing with it. And even with all that — like you say, just write some good fuckin characters! Spare me these genteel niceties and oh-so-wittily-elegant barbs. Where’s the actual peril? Gordon! Hendriksen! Someone who destabilises who Sam and Dean are at their core. I suppose you have to have an idea of who they are at their core to do that.
I know a lot of people — and not only the lovely people who comment here — enjoyed the Amara-Chuck conversations, and I still have an abstract appreciation for Swallow’s and Benedict’s performance and chemistry; and my hope is that it contained setup for something that will be interesting down the line (the Sam-Chuck connection has a lot of potential). But to be honest, even aside from there not being much character stuff for me to grab onto, the second it started I was put off by the tedious and predictable vision of wealth it presented, and what it meant for Amara. Yet another sterile, expensive environment, this time with some tacky Indian inflection. I think, on purpose? So now Amara is shallow and hedonistic? I mean, it’s a choice, but is it an interesting one? It’s the exact choice they made for Rowena, for Gabriel, for Michael — for their victims and settings of the week, who all live in these upperclass tract homes and mansions; and for Sam and Dean too, to a lesser extent, in the endless comforts of the bunker.
This fascination with wealth, either as a default state of being or masquerading as a critique of its shallowness, has been a trend for years but it’s particularly prevalent in the Dabb era. I find it extremely offputting, and telling of the writers. Is this all they can imagine in terms of character desire? Is the Threepenny Opera Ghost Conference Kitchen really what they imagine to be an everyday or dynamic and interesting space? If Andy were a character these days he wouldn’t have used his power to live in an airbrushed van with a bunch of bongs and Kierkegaard, he’d be in a mansion with crystal tumblers and wood panelling. I really, really miss seeing poverty, texture, mess, and lack; I miss shots through dusty screen doors; I miss people with lines on their faces; I miss a sense of the hard scrabble, I miss a sense that the world is a difficult and diverse place, and I find it fairly gross that Sam and Dean seem to have “graduated” into a world of plenty.
I was musing elsewhere on whether this town subplot would have worked better for me if it had been centered around a smaller, more brokedown and rural, less spelling-bee community (it says a lot that so much plot and attempted humour is mined from these suburban stereotypes; is that all these writers know? is that all they expect us to be able to relate to?). Would it have inspired more imaginative shooting, forced them to work harder on the day-player characters? Who knows.
There might be many practical production reasons this location was chosen (ease of access, scheduling, etc) and those reasons might have impacted the writing and forced a bunch of the flaws some of us see in last week’s and this week’s episode. But it is really concerning to me that the initial writing choice was to spend three episodes in a town and create a storyline that’s going to be really hard to do believably and practically (the evacuation, high-school gym setup, and quarantine zone with all these patrolling alt-world hunters is nonsense, just utter, insulting nonsense, and then you add in the atrocious ghost stuff). As Barb rightly points out, the show has struggled to convey such things with scope previously. It was one of the worst possible choices to make, and that it was made during hiatus, when Dabb and Singer have all the time in the world to figure out what to do, is a huuuuuge bummer, and an uncomfortable exposure of their capabilities.
Jessie – you are so spot on with this. You’ve put into words something I’ve felt, but haven’t really been focusing on – the wealth thing, the suburbs thing, so different from the backwoods rural grease-pit vibe initially – the blue collar thing – ugh.
and yes, to everything else you said. It’s very disheartening. The show is broken.
Could not agree more. Buckner and Ross-Leming, who wrote this episode, have actually been vocal about how they prefer writing for characters who are not Sam and Dean. It has completely destabilized the show.
I can’t remember where this link came from – it might have even been posted by one of your commenters last year – but it illuminated so much for me about the change in priorities of the writers’ room:
“EP Brad Buckner, who currently works in the writers’ room, agrees, of course [with Robert Singer’s assertion that Sam and Dean are the engine that gives the Show life], but incorporates Castiel and other long-serving regular characters into that unshakable bond, as part and parcel of enhancing the family dynamic that the show relies upon.
Buckner’s fellow EP and writing partner Eugenie Ross-Leming expands on the importance of the larger cast of characters, saying ‘What’s gotten – not different, but deeper and bigger – is that we’ve expanded the ensemble. We’ve invited more characters in and then deepened our characters’ relationships to that reality’. . .
Buckner brings up the shift to the permanent Bunker set as one of Supernatural’s biggest positive changes. . . ‘It no longer became a show about two rootless guys roaming the country, in a different awful motel every week. It became guys with a home base, a clubhouse, a center to their lives. Those people all became sort of rooted together so it became even more of family that it had been before, and I think that just further enhanced all of those relationships, which is really at the core of the show.’ ”
( https://www.hypable.com/supernatural-300-episode-teasers-legacy-party/ )
Expand the ensemble…incorporate Castiel into the “unshakable bond”…get rid of the “awful” motels (which really gives credence to Jessie’s lament of the loss of grunge and grit and poverty)…
It’s painful and a little frightening to think that the show is in the hands of people who misunderstand the show so profoundly.
“Clubhouse” Bethany! Woe, woe, woe! They have Secret Seven-ified Supernatural. It’s interesting, though, to see how the author of the article sees this as a very positive development, believes that s14 was very introspective and character-focused, and is excited about Cas being “featured properly” in the 300th episode. Can’t say I hold much regard for her critical skills but it’s, well, if not nice, then important to be reminded that people do actually, apparently honestly, enjoy the present state of things. These folks really do seem to see the obsessions and intensities of early seasons as something to be remedied and rendered wholesome.
Carolynne — ha ha, welcome to the complaints department! I would rather not live here, but I really do need to vent about the bad stuff, and on another level I find it a fascinating ongoing exhibition of bad-choice storytelling. Fingers crossed they can recover next episode, anyway. I was bothered by Amara’s clothes too. Aside from the wealth thing, maybe just because it was different from her lovely black dress or maybe because it just rendered her kinda…basic? Nothing left of that s11 otherworldly quality.
I was also bothered by Amara’s clothes. That entire section – the hotel room decor – the way it was shot – was appalling. No atmosphere. Nothing. Bad camera angles, too. Like, no Point of View.
and, too, as you mentioned – the “wealth” thing. Amara getting a massage, stepping around like Paris Hilton …
failure of imagination. So many more interesting choices to make.
and now Chuck is neutered. after all THAT.
again: if there are two choices to make, one interesting and fraught with potential tension – and one safe and pat and easily digestible – they go with the latter.
That comment is so enraging. She is literally describing the show that people fell in love with – and why it’s NOT a good thing.
oh. no. :( I guess it’s good to know it’s all on purpose and they think it’s great :(
Honestly I got bored pretty early on in this one and spent the ep reading about Jack the Ripper suspects, which isn’t even the kind of content I enjoy, even a little.
The setting wasn’t evenly remotely atmospheric. I think your suggestion about the town being more rural, less spelling bee, would have worked better. We’d at least maybe have gotten some good cinematography out of it. It could also have added a more creative element to the episode. I never complain. This is the first time I have, only because (and I think I didn’t want to admit this to myself during season 14), something has changed and it was glaringly obvious in the latest episode.
Interesting take on the wealth too, I hadn’t picked up on that but now that you mention it, it is disturbing. At least Jodie still gets to live in a modest house though. I found the clothes that Amara was wearing also bothered me, I’m not sure why? It just didn’t seem right. They are really going overkill with the makeup on Rowena. In fact the makeup all around has been a big problem in the last two episodes. I didn’t like the jacket Ketch was wearing either, it seemed oddly out of place on him.
So true about the lack of tension between characters now and there are no good adversary characters. And like mentioned by Jesse, and this is probably why I enjoyed demon Jack in the first episode but not so much this one, demon Jack did bring out something in Dean.
I was not able to watch this one live and I’ve been watching the number of comments go up and up on this post and just DYING to watch the ep so I could read them! Reading the comments was more enjoyable than watching the episode!
I enjoyed the scene with Dean and Cas mainly because of their chemistry, their interactions are always intense, there’s always something THERE with them. However, I have to admit I’m a little perplexed about what the whole THING is this season, so Dean is upset because Chuck (God) was in charge of stuff and making stuff happen to them? He seems to think he has never had any free will, and I’m just, I’m not really getting it. So before he was upset because God was an absent father and now he learns he wasn’t so absent and he’s upset again? If I think about it too much then it makes Sam and Dean seem like whiny children if I’m being honest. Great note the end the show on.
As with everything else I have no faith in Andrew Dabb to bring this show to a satisfying ending, and just the fact that this pretty weak premise is what the characters are up in arms about, I dunno. Perhaps something more pressing will manifest later in the season, but apparently all these ghosts were not pressing enough to keep Ketch and Rowena from that terrible, TERRIBLE flirting scene in a LAB! To continue the talk about a lack of texture and atmosphere, since when does the most powerful witch on the planet cast her spells in a lab with stock photo bunsen burners full of blue liquid? You have got to be kidding me.
I think I must be the only one who did not care to see Kevin again, how many times have the “brought him back” now, is this his 4th time back? I just don’t see the need. I don’t recall liking him that much to begin with and bringing him back over and over, just negates the power of his death in the first place! But that’s a long standing complaint with this show, they just can’t let anyone be dead these days.
// If I think about it too much then it makes Sam and Dean seem like whiny children if I’m being honest. //
Yes, I see what you’re getting at.
It’s just not a strong set-up.
This is what is worrying me – and it’s worried me ever since Dabb took over. They don’t “know what they have” over there – and the things they THINK are strong and dramatic (BMOL – ???) are NOT. And so … I can already see how this season is going to go, sadly: it’s going to be a big ensemble push to either get God back on board, or install Amara – or something along those lines – and everyone will all be “together” on this – working together – a merry band of no less than 15 characters working to “end this.” Sam and Dean will be just a part of that. And their main “conflict” will be Dean being worried about Sam’s shoulder, and Sam saying “I’m fine.” This will be their relationship.
// since when does the most powerful witch on the planet cast her spells in a lab with stock photo bunsen burners full of blue liquid? You have got to be kidding me. //
Member when this show actually understood its own genre – which is not YA Fantasy – but HORROR?
I’m feeling depressed now.
and in re: Kevin … yeah, I feel the same way. His “arc” was so painful in Season 9/10 – just excruciating – and how much it dominated Sam and Dean’s relationship and eventual conflict – he was crucial. Letting him go was a nice closing out of the arc. What was great about it was that he remained “in the air” between Sam and Dean – even though he wasn’t present.
So his “goodbye” moment here had no resonance because … they already DID that. FIVE YEARS ago.
I think they’re bringing everyone back as a “let’s say hello to all our old friends” and also to keep those convention slots booked with enough guests.
As someone who is on Tumblr your comments about needing to keep the convention circuit booked are really ringing true for me. It’s awful to think that we were subjected to those Ketch/Rowena scenes just because they need them for the conventions. Gross.
I am not looking forward to the parade of previous cast members that I am sure Dabb will bring back for this final season, even that 300th episode with Jeffrey Dean Morgan was awful b/c they had already done that too (restrained, but approving smiles in the graveyard at the end of season 2, so much more impactful!). I think you are 100% right about the group dynamic we are going to get for this last season, and it depresses me too! I am hoping evil Sam will be good though!
Because it’s a different company who runs the conventions, and they are not “Official” conventions, I am not sure about how CW could benefit except indirectly (more passionate fans) from them. Well they probably get a licensing cut, it’s true, and from the merch that gets made and sold there. But the actors and the Creation (and the hotels) benefit most – I can certainly understand why they actors would be keen to come back, not only for a job, but also for the ancillary stuff, and it must be handy as a writer and producer to know that if you need to fill ten minutes Joe Smith will happily make himself available.
I always liked Kevin as a character, and I liked that “Sam” killed him so horribly, and I liked the fallout of that, and it bums me out that he was brought back and the main interaction he had with Sam was to wave at him from a distance. Waste of time.
I would think it’s more about the “optics” of it and the CW digs the optics of the social media frenzy any time there’s a convention. Which, of course, is totally understandable.
But when it’s driving the show (as I sense it is) – as opposed to the other way around – it’s disheartening.
I mean, KETCH? He was a bust from the jump. Okay, okay, some people like him, okay. I will submit to this unfortunate reality.
// I liked that “Sam” killed him so horribly, and I liked the fallout of that, and it bums me out that he was brought back and the main interaction he had with Sam was to wave at him from a distance. Waste of time. //
Yes.
What’s happening is they are ruining the PAST and that’s what’s the most unforgivable.