So, yeah, this tells you my investment in the show that I totally forgot it was on this past week. This makes me sad. To be fair, I’m also swamped. I haven’t watched yet but for those who have, here’s a post.
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okay so Season 12 was so wretched I didn’t even remember who Lily Sunder was – but now I don’t care because it is the GREAT Veronica Cartwright! From Alien, The Right Stuff… and so brilliantly out of her mind in Witches of Eastwick.
Veronica made me cry. The ep was worth it for her performance alone.
She really was the highlight of the episode, a level of intensity that hasn’t been on there recently. I was looking her up on IMDB, just to see how often she’s been working – 142 credits. Wow!
Rod Taylor’s daughter in The Birds? – she has been bringing it for a while!
Yes, she was a child actor!
You are so right. This was the first episode in a very, very,very long time that got to me. And it wasn’t just The Three Men and a Nephilim, but also Kelly and Lily Sunder and the head angel whose name eludes me. The women killed it this time. It also show that you don’t need a cast of thousands. Just the boys, a decent moving story and a decent director. I love a happy ending.
I also love Angela Cartwright. I wanted to be her in Lost in Space. I hated her in The Witches of Eastwick but felt sorry for her at the same time. She was even good in Make Room for Daddy, which I know dates me.
Naomi! Yes! and I actually felt interested in heaven again, too. I’m a little frustrated with Jack being so much the focus of the “boys'” energy and concern – but I was happy with Dean’s call to his Mom. Let’s just keep reiterating how much this returned Mary sucks – let’s see where this takes us – so we can get into DEAN’S world. Please?
Oh, and Angela Cartwright was on Lost in Space and Make Room for Daddy – she’s Veronica’s sister!
I have mixed feelings about the three guys getting drunk in the kitchen, although I think it was beautifully shot and beautifully performed by the three of them. Castiel roaring with laughter, though, seems … bizarre. Like, that’s not really the character? Like, at all? Any thoughts on this? I feel bad even mentioning it, like I’m nitpicking, but I do think they’ve had an issue with Castiel in recent seasons – keeping the character consistent.
I also have mixed feelings about them going back to GD BUNKER to get drunk. I’m so sick of the bunker. I’m a broken record.
All of this being said, I thought it was a fine episode, and I really liked the “god” or “demigod” they summoned – and I loved his “office”. Thought the abacus was a beautiful touch – much more gritty than they’ve been interested in lately – with all that abra-cadabra stuff. I liked the concept of the abacus, and I thought his office with the huge clock was wonderfully conceived.
And Veronica Cartwright killed it!
You’re right about the appropriate Cartwright. My bad.
I enjoyed this episode. Really amazing performances from everyone involved. I barely remembered the character of Lily Sunder and when I had originally seen the promo, I was pretty meh about her return. Veronica Cartwright was amazing though and I was completely invested in what was going to happen to her.
Even though I had absolutely no concern whatsoever that Jack was going to stay dead, the actors did a phenomenal job showing that deep level of grief and pain. They always manage to go there, no matter how “old hat” death has become on the show.
Didn’t particularly care for the drinking montage scene set to music. There were several moments in that scene where I felt like that was Jared, Jensen, and Misha…not Sam, Dean, and Cas.
I enjoyed Jack and Kelly’s scenes together. Kelly is another character that I never particularly cared for, but the scenes between her and Jack were wonderfully touching.
I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Naomi again….She’s one angel I still find interesting. I’ve been a fan of Amanda Tapping since Stargate SG-1 and I love how she gives Naomi such a distinct way of speaking…so formal in cadence and tone.
When Dean made the phone call to Mary and got her voice mail, it was again fascinating the way Jensen chose to play that scene. The eye roll when he got her voice mail and the little (to me sarcastic) edge to his voice when he said he hated to have to tell her news like this over her voice mail. Don’t know if they will ever acknowledge in the scripts what JA and JP are playing in subtext, but I agree that it would make a stronger story if they would.
// I barely remembered the character of Lily Sunder and when I had originally seen the promo, I was pretty meh about her return. Veronica Cartwright was amazing though and I was completely invested in what was going to happen to her. //
Michelle, this was exactly my response. I realized just how much I’ve blocked out Season 12. I do not remember one thing about that episode. Or Alicia Witt. Not one thing. But Veronica Cartwright’s performance made me invest.
// Even though I had absolutely no concern whatsoever that Jack was going to stay dead, the actors did a phenomenal job showing that deep level of grief and pain. //
hahahaha okay that first part of your sentence made me laugh. Me too! Oh God, this show is really exasperating sometimes.
// Didn’t particularly care for the drinking montage scene set to music. There were several moments in that scene where I felt like that was Jared, Jensen, and Misha…not Sam, Dean, and Cas. //
Yes, I felt this too. I liked the music choice, and I thought it was filmed extremely well but Misha, in particular, felt like Misha – Cas laughing hysterically? Since when?
They’re all so beautiful though – :) – I did enjoy it on that level.
// I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Naomi again….She’s one angel I still find interesting. I’ve been a fan of Amanda Tapping since Stargate SG-1 and I love how she gives Naomi such a distinct way of speaking…so formal in cadence and tone. //
She’s terrific. I did not like her on my first viewing of that season – and then on a re-watch I wondered what on earth had been my problem. She was so good! It’s good to see her again, and she does bring to Naomi a strange icy sense of fanaticism – which is what made the angels so strange when they first arrived. If they want me to “invest” in Heaven, they’ve gotta do better than film it like it’s an Amway meeting. Naomi helps. Love her.
// The eye roll when he got her voice mail and the little (to me sarcastic) edge to his voice when he said he hated to have to tell her news like this over her voice mail. Don’t know if they will ever acknowledge in the scripts what JA and JP are playing in subtext, but I agree that it would make a stronger story if they would.//
I so agree with this. Thank you for putting into words Jensen’s playing of that phone call. It was really good. Both actors, I think, are highly conscious of what this story requires – even if it’s not in the text. You can’t play two mother-missing men for 12 years and then suddenly switch gears. It hasn’t been handled – and they both clearly know that, it’s seeping out. I get excited when this happens – it feels real. Like, don’t ask me to buy this family bullshit Supernatural – you’ve been all about questioning and interrogating family from the JUMP – don’t get soft on me now!
Hasn’t Amanda Tapping also directed some episodes?
Ooh, I don’t know. I’ll check.
Yes! three episodes in the last 2 years. Shoulda put that together.
Angel Naomi is right up there with Zachariah in my book! I mean ya gotta love her secret past with Crowley. And I also love how she’s really come full circle from psycho, control freak, baddie to trouble weary leader just trying to hang in there.
One stray thought – wouldn’t it be nice if this last act made a difference for Lily Sunder? I thought as she lay dead in her chair. But this isn’t that sort of show, to tell me comforting stories about how it’s all okay in the end and mamas get to see their dead babies in Heaven.
And then there we were in Anubis’s lovely office, with his abacus, and I felt let down. It was exactly what I wanted; why did the show give it to me? That isn’t what I come here for. It all felt disengaged and unreal to me.
I’m not sure anything actually bad or uncomfortable has happened on this show since they unleashed the Darkness.
It was a pretty good episode, and Lily was great, Empty Duma was great, everyone was great, which I guess makes the shift more apparent to me.