Ebertfest Day 4: Daughters of the Dust, with director Julie Dash

It was such a privilege to be onstage (with Sam Fragoso and Chaz Ebert) to interview pioneering film director Julie Dash after the screening of her sui generis masterpiece, the 1991 film Daughters of the Dust. It was the first film directed by an African-American woman to get a wide theatrical release (We shouldn’t be proud of ourselves for this. We should be ashamed). Roger Ebert championed it strongly – both in print and on television – and Dash never forgot him for that. He made it his personal business to get the word out about this unique film.

Daughters of the Dust, narrated by an “unborn child,” takes place in 1902 on the Sea Islands off the South Carolina coast. A Gullah family, including the first generation born free after the abolition of slavery, gather together one last time before some of them move to the mainland (i.e. “North). Some will stay behind. In the meantime, they gather on the beach for a picnic, and a visiting photographer poses them on the sand. It is the end of an era. But what about continuity with the past? And the future? Who holds the memories of a family? A people? What is lost when you sever those ties? Dash’s style is lyrical and visual. It’s one of those rare films where
1. If you freeze-frame it at any point throughout, the image is going to be beautiful, memorable, iconic. The images make you catch your breath because you haven’t seen them before. Ever.
2. A mere screengrab will tell you what film it’s from. Every single frame is instantly identifiable. The DNA fingerprint of the film – and Dash’s EYE – is so itself.

Dash had initially wanted to make it as a silent film. The Gullah community maintains their connection to pre-slavery West African traditions, and speak in a dialect all their own. At times, the actors in Daughters of the Dust are subtitled. Other times not. But you get the gist.

Two years ago, for the film’s 25th anniversary, Daughters of the Dust was restored and re-released, bringing a wave of fresh publicity. (Here’s a wonderful interview with Julie Dash in Film Comment at that time.)

I saw the film back in 1992 when it was released. I had just moved to Chicago. I never forgot that first viewing. The film is so unlike anything else you’ve ever seen. It’s like reading James Joyce. He “made it new.” Julie Dash made a movie without having conventional directorial concerns at the forefront. She set about to make a movie her own way, in her own voice, and in so doing … makes most other movies look simplistic, conventional, LAZY. We have this amazing tool: a movie camera, and – for the most part – we have used it in the most literal way. Who made UP all these rules? (In a way, Daughters of the Dust was a good comparison piece to A Page of Madness, the Japanese silent film screened the day before.)

Julie Dash was there for the entirety of the film festival. (So were a couple of the other guests, including Gregory Nava, director of Selena, and Kogonada, director of Columbus). She participated in panels. I ran into her in the elevator at the hotel. So once we all got onstage, it was a nice continuation of what had been going on for the entire festival.

The QA was amazing. There’s such a lot of ground to cover. Sam Fragoso and I had a small pow-wow beforehand, so we could kind of parcel out our approach. He’d ask her the career questions, I’d ask the questions about the film itself. I think it worked really well! I got to ask her about her choices, why she made those choices, choices which seemed so baffling to the producers, to some of the audiences too. We had never seen African-Americans like this before on film. As far as film goes, you’d think African-Americans only existed in the 1860s or the 1960s. During its first release, people were so “thrown” by the white Gibson Girl dresses. It’s as though their minds have been formed only by cinema’s extremely limited portrayal of African-Americans. Every choice she made – the white dresses, the blue-stained hands from the indigo vats – came from her research, and her desire to open up the cinematic world to include people who had always been there.

There’s one dissolve I hadn’t picked up on in my other times seeing it (it’s a film that really rewards repeat viewings). Nana Peazant holds out both her hands, separating them a little bit, palms facing inward. Dash then slowly dissolves to the beach, where girls in white dresses cavort by the water – and the girls on the beach are contained in the ghostly space between Nana Peazant’s hands, a visual moment showing how our ancestors care for us and watch over us, hold us in their hands.

It’s such a singular vision, her film, and it was so great talking about it.

Also, of course, we discussed BEYONCE. Beyonce’s “Lemonade” dropped with no warning. Instant reactions from critics noticed the multiple homages to Daughters of the Dust throughout.

Fans (presumably young fans) went searching for information about Julie Dash’s film, and in the process crashed Julie Dash’s website! Dash had no idea “Lemonade” was even dropping, or what “Lemonade” even was. Nobody had said, “Hey … Beyonce has this thing which is basically a tribute to Daughters of the Dust.” Dash said she started watching “Lemonade” – and at first she was looking for references to Daughters of the Dust – but then forgot all about it because she got hooked into the images and the narrative. What a huge compliment.

I also loved her anecdote about being shown Sergei Eisenstein’s Battleship Potemkin in a film class when she was young. At first, all the students were complaining about it audibly: “This is a silent film? It’s black and white! Oh, come ON!!”

She said, “And after 10 minutes we all stopped complaining and got sucked into the story.”

A formative moment about the power of film.

And here’s Mitchell on the film and the QA:

2:30pm…a screening of “Daughters of the Dust” with director and pioneer, Julie Dash, in the house. It was preceded by the Siskel & Ebert episode where the film was reviewed. Roger Ebert reviewed the film THREE times to insure that it would be seen and that Julie’s voice would be heard. This is a singular and seminal film. Visual storytelling at its most poetic and visceral. The golden light. The stunning cinematography. The costumes. The pace. The music. There are moments where the accents are so thick that we cannot fully understand the words being spoken, and we are not supposed to. We either understand the feelings or it’s simply none of our business…or both. Gorgeous. Ms. Dash, like Ms. DuVernay, spoke of her love and gratitude to Roger Ebert for being a champion of new and important filmmakers. She made a film like NO OTHER; the influence is undeniable, yet she was not flooded with offers like many of her white male contemporaries? Sexist? Yup. Racist?? Definitely. She spoke of empowering, as a teacher, young woman of color to tell their stories. Sheila O’Malley along with Chaz Ebert and another colleague ran the QA…the best of fest IMHO!! So much craft and theory and wisdom to impart and the most thrilling was when she spoke of the day that Beyoncé’s “Lemonade” dropped and it crashed her website. If you haven’t seen “Daughters of the Dust” then you don’t know how much of an homage Beyoncé’s artful film is to Julie’s vision. So many people read about the influence and it crashed the site. Julie Dash, speaking on art and history and culture praised Beyoncé as an artist, including her in the intellectual discussion of modern artistic expression. It was THRILLING!!!

A total thrill.

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Ebertfest Day 4: 13th, with director Ava DuVernay

At 9:15 a.m., I looked out my hotel window and saw a line was already stretching down the block for the 10:30 a.m. screening of Ava DuVernay’s Oscar-nominated and Emmy-winning documentary 13th. Now that’s not something you see every day. DuVernay is busy in pre-production for her upcoming series on the Central Park Five, so she was only able to fly in for the QA and basically had to be rushed off the stage after only one question from the audience to get her flight back. So okay what this meant was: the woman got up at 3, 4 in the morning to be there. This moves me so much. At one point during the QA, she stumbled over the words “Champaign-Urbana” and then stopped and said, “I don’t know where I am, y’all.”

I was unaware of just how far back Ava’s connection to Roger went. I knew she had a relationship with him in her years as a publicist, and then when she started making films, he always reviewed them. This is what creating connections and relationships is all about. But her connection to Roger went back to when she was a child, and she and her aunt would go stand outside the Shrine Auditorium during the Oscar rehearsals to watch the stars come in. And Roger came right over to her to speak to her. (Roger tells the story here. And there’s a picture!)

So although 13th has been celebrated, and rightly so, and although Ava is “having it all” right now … coming to THIS festival, in Roger’s home town, had great meaning since he was so significant in her life. (It’s a theme. Artist after artist who comes to the festival says the same thing!)

My friend Mitchell, who came to the festival with me (we had an absolute blast), has been writing Facebook posts all along and I thought I’d share some of his thoughts and observations. It was so much fun for us to share notes, to discuss, to debate. Here’s Mitchell on 13th:

it started at 10:30am in a packed house to watch the much hailed and ESSENTIAL documentary “13th”…it is required viewing if we are to progress as an alleged “free” country. Ava DuVernay entered to discuss the film to a long and vocal standing ovation. Her education and expertise as a historian made her uniquely prepared to make this film. I was blown away by her ability to discuss the film with so much knowledge and anger and humor and generosity. She spoke of her deep love and gratitude for Roger Ebert, and her relationship to her editor, and her relationship with Common. She should teach classes on public speaking!!! She told us that she deliberately avoided having any of her “talking heads” tell us, the audience, what we “should” do. She firmly but gently suggested that it was OUR job, that the people in the film are already doing the work…she asked, “What are you going to do?” Powerful and charming and funny and full of love for Roger and the festival. Mind blown.

100% cosign.

13th literally left me out of breath the first time I saw it. The documentary is urgent. Mass incarceration is a disgrace. So many “message” documentaries are basically thrown together. Not this one. It’s airtight. It builds its case, brick by brick, it shows you where to look, it helps you piece things together, it is a SERIOUS historical document and for sure should be taught in schools. If you emerge from it unchanged, if you watch it with your arms crossed refusing to consider the connections made in the film … if you take it defensively, then you certainly won’t mind if the rest of us continue on without you. No more time for that.

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Ebertfest Day 3: A Page of Madness (1926), with the Alloy Orchestra

Every year a silent film is screened at Ebertfest, with music performed (and composed) by the three-man Alloy Orchestra. It’s always a highlight of the festival. They have such interesting careers. They are film historians, but also artists, who choose projects based on their own personal or shared interests, the feeling that their contribution to something may be worth while, that they might have something to add. They have spoken about the movies they choose to compose music for. Most of the movies have some element of suspense to them, a forward propulsion. Light comedies don’t so much fit their style. They resist what they call “Mickey Mouse” effects in their music (i.e. a dog barks onscreen, they make a dog bark sound with their instruments). They resist being literal. They are more after the “feel” of something. Seeing them do their work, in the orchestra pit at the Virginia Theatre, staring up at the screen, and playing along with the images, is always a huge thrill.

This year, the silent film screened was the 1926 film A Page of Madness, directed by Teinosuke Kinugasa. Richard Neupert, a regular Ebertfest guest, introduces the silent films, giving us proper historical context, and he did so here too. I very much appreciated all of the details he provided before we watched this extremely impressionistic piece of work. He spoke of the birth of Modernism in the wake of the WWI, in all areas of the arts, in all countries. Japan was hugely influenced by what was going on in Germany, in France, in Europe in general. Cinema was in its infancy but there seemed to be so many possibilities in the film to DO what was being done in literature and painting and poetry: breaking apart the “text,” dealing in subjectivity, an interest in Freud and Jung, the power of dreams, etc.

Kinugasa wanted to experiment with every effect at his disposal. Dissolves, distortions, collage, juxtaposition … He wanted to break up the narrative. The story does not move in a linear fashion. There are no interstitial titles! He wanted any information to come through the images, not language.

There seemed to be a feeling in the room – from Neupert’s comments, and from the interview following with two members of the Orchestra – that the film – with its impressionistic surreal effects, its blending of fantasy and reality, it’s non-linear non-narrative, was hard to understand. I don’t know, maybe it’s because I love the “modernists,” maybe because I feel that in many ways Finnegans Wake is James Joyce’s easiest book (by a LONG shot – it’s 628 pages of word games. I mean, that’s all you need to know), or maybe because I’ve got a page or two or twenty of madness myself, I found it to be pretty straightforward.

The acting was wonderful, too. Very naturalistic.

A Page of Madness is modernist because it is fractured up, and nothing plot-wise is “underlined” for us. It’s a living example of Proust’s madeleine. Memories explode, superimposing themselves on the present. Because isn’t that how memories work? You stand in the present-day and you are washed over by the past. Mental torment is made visual in A Page of Madness.

Wonderful QA afterwards, run by Neupert and Nell Minow, with Ken Winokur and Terry Donahue, two members of the Alloy Orchestra.

An Ebertfest staple.

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Ebertfest Day 3: Columbus, with director Kogonada

Columbus was one of my favorite movies last year (here’s the review I wrote for Ebert). I only saw it once, to review for Ebert – and that was at home, on my laptop. Seeing it huge was overwhelming. The leitmotif of the film, its organizing principle, is the astonishing array of modernist buildings in Columbus, Indiana. Director Kogonada uses the architecture as framing, as interstitial images, as moody set-pieces, and while all of this may sound very intellectual and pretentious, the story – of the two main characters – throbs with passion and feeling. It’s not a love story, and yet the film is not un-romantic. Attraction comes in many different forms. Shared interests can translate into intense connection. I was bowled over by the intensity of the film in my first viewing (which you can hear in my review), and I felt it even MORE so seeing it on that gigantic screen.

Kogonada and his whole producing team was there (four people!). It was such a reminder of how important the “money people” are. People who are not artists, but who love artists, people who are willing to take a risk on a first-time director by giving him money to make his film. The fact that Columbus is Kogonada’s first film is truly astonishing, once you see it. Clearly influenced by Ozu, Columbus shows a confidence in approach which normally takes years to blossom. Kogonada has been “around” for years, creating incredible video essays about film. This is his first feature. As a Midwesterner, he wanted to take the eye of Ozu – the stylistic sophistication he so treasured – and bring it into a Midwestern milieu.

The normal concept of the Midwest is farmlands, McDonalds, and strip malls. But the Midwest also produces people like Kogonada, someone who looks at the environment and really SEES it, sees its potential. One interesting and infuriating thing was: He wrote the script very quickly, and then sent it around to producers, looking for financing. One of the main comments he got was: Change Jin to a white man, because nobody will go see a film with an Asian male lead.

That’s what we’re up against here. That kind of small-minded INCORRECT ignorance.

Thank goodness he found the “money people” who never once asked him to change the race of his lead character, who let him do what he wanted to do.

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Review: Mercury 13 (2018)

I reviewed the wonderful documentary about the 13 women who went through astronaut-testing in the late 50s/early 60s. Highly recommended.

Here’s my review of Mercury 13.

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Ebertfest Day 2: Belle, with director Amma Asante

I loved this movie so much when it first came out, I became a bit of an evangelical for it. There were people in my life who I knew would LOVE this movie – and nobody goes to the theatre anymore (grrrr) – so I kept reminding them: Make sure you catch this one. This is one you don’t want to miss. I wrote a whole piece about it here.

One of the real pleasures of the screening of Belle here was that
1. Mitchell had never seen it. And
2. He was not familiar with the story.

One of my favorite things in the world is to “introduce” someone – especially a good friend who loves movies and performance like I do – to something I love, especially if they “go into it cold.” I KNEW he would respond to it. So seeing it vicariously through his eyes was almost as pleasurable as the movie itself.

At one point, he leaned over and whispered to me, gripping my arm, “I swear to God, if anyone hurts this woman …”

He was so invested!

Director Amma Asante was here, and it was so great listening to her talk about her process and her goals for this in the QA afterward, moderated by Chaz Ebert and Rebecca Theodore-Vachon.

One of the things I loved so much was hearing about all of her stylistic choices. She wanted to make a quintessential English costume drama period piece (“Who doesn’t love an English costume drama?” she said. Cosign) and yet use that style to tell the story about a black woman. “Black people weren’t invented in 1957,” she joked.

She shared her “scheme” for the movie. In the first half, where the two young women are on the estate, holed off from the world and protected from reality, Asante used “ice cream colors” – pinks and greens and blues for their dresses – a Utopian world. The rooms were cavernous and the ceilings were high, and these two exquisite young creatures were like perfect tiny dolls posed in those huge spaces. In the second half of the film, as the two women face the world for the first time, in all its complexity and pain and reality, the colors darkened to smoky-greys and purples, the shadows got thicker and foggier – and, my favorite detail, the ceilings were lower! I had felt the effect of those lowered cramped ceilings but hadn’t really clocked it as a “thing.” I got the impact, but hadn’t really noticed it. So in the second half, the two women were basically pushed up against the ceilings in those small London apartments, showing the the growth spurt of the soul – the implicit revolt against the racism and sexism and classism which drenched their society so that they were literally bursting out of the spaces trying to contain them.

These are the kinds of details I absolutely love.

Mitchell and I had an amazing day at the movies.

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Ebertfest Day 2: Selena, with director Gregory Nava

What an emotional screening. Mitchell and I were wrecks. As we walked back to the hotel, he said, “We just made spectacles of ourselves.” We reached out and held hands during the breathtaking first closeup of Jennifer Lopez, when Selena – getting on the tour bus – catches a glimpse of a couple making out nearby. She stares. There’s something on her face. We don’t know the character yet. We don’t know all of the factors leading up to that longing glance … but Lopez pulls us in to her experience. That’s a star. (Mitchell whispered to me, “Star quality cannot be taught.”)

I saw Selena in its first release, but seeing it huge – with Gregory Nava’s own personal print, shipped in at the last minute because the one Warner Brothers sent was subpar – was overwhelming. Jennifer Lopez is overwhelming.

Here is Roger Ebert’s review.

In the QA following the film, headed up by Monica Castillo and Claudia Puig, Nava was so forthcoming. So impassioned, and he answered all of our questions before we had even asked them. He shared one anecdote about the pressures on Jennifer Lopez during the filming of the scene in the Houston Astrodome. The place seats 30,000, and 30,000 people showed up – for free – to be in that audience. Selena fans, all, many of whom had been there for that original triumphant concert! So imagine the pressure on Jennifer Lopez: to not only have to re-create that concert, but to do so in front of 30,000 still-grieving passionate Selena fans. And it was a total triumph. Afterwards, Nava and Lopez stood together in her dressing room, hugging, and crying. The moment was pure triumph, tribute, validation.

Nava also spoke of the expectation of studio execs that he would shoot a scene in the motel room, the moment where Selena was murdered by her fan-club president. Nava never wanted to shoot that scene. (Mitchell said to me later: “The abruptness of the ending is almost exactly what it felt like when Selena died. It was almost unreal, like, ‘Wait, what just happened?'”) Nava’s whole purpose in making the film was to help contextualize and celebrate this gigantic star. He worked closely with the family on the script, interviewing all of them, using what he discovered in his screenplay. He felt very strongly about not showing the murder in all its detail. He said, “I refused to shed Selena’s blood for the studio.”

Mitchell said to me later, “I have been watching Selena on the small screen for years. I’ll watch it any time it comes on cable. But seeing it in a theatre is a totally different experience. Seeing closeups of Jennifer Lopez three-stories high is a totally different experience.”

You really get the scope of the tragedy.

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Ebertfest Day 1: The Fugitive, with director Andrew Davis

My hotel room has a view of the gorgeous Virginia Theatre, where the festival is held. I could see the line stretching down the block for the opening night movie, which was The Fugitive.

I’ve seen the movie so many times, including in the theatre in its first release, but never on a screen this gigantic. That thing plays like a bat out of hell. It did back then, it still does. It never lets up, for one second. There’s a beautiful flow between the Harrison Ford scenes and the Tommy Lee Jones scenes. It’s a two-hander, even though they are only onscreen together for about 5 minutes, tops.

Here’s Roger Ebert’s review.

Director Andrew Davis was here to present the film. There was a QA after.

Much talk about the editing (a key element), much talk about the acting, and how much improvising they did as they went along, keeping it loose (especially in the scenes with Tommy Lee Jones and his merry band of U.S. Marshals). Davis spoke about how important it was to him to have a diverse cast (it’s extremely noticeable, but not in a “message”-y way. It’s just that this is actually what the world looks like – “and it’s the Chicago I grew up in,” he said – and so he wanted the casting to reflect that. Ahead of its time in that way.)

One question: “How did you do that train crash? How many takes did it take?”

Andrew Davis: “You don’t get more than one take for something like that, son.”

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Stuff I’ve Been Reading

— An incredible article about the Parkland students who are now rehearsing a production of Spring Awakening, by Isaac Butler (one of the co-authors of the new oral history of Angels in America, which I can’t wait to read). They Don’t Do Sadness is a must-read. It’s so good on theatre kids, and rehearsals, and the bonds that form, what it’s like to pour your present-day life through a fictionalized structure, how cathartic it can be.

The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, by Tom Wolfe. Somehow, unbelievably, I have never read this. Shocker: it’s as good as everyone says. I am fascinated by those, like Wolfe, who can look around – in the middle of a crazy moment – and see (or at least take a stab at) what might really be happening. On a Wolfe kick. Just read his first collection of essays too, The Kandy-Kolored Tangerine-Flake Streamline Baby. He has an extremely aggressive in-your-face style. You NOTICE it. For me, it works, especially in this early material. It makes you feel like you are actually on Ken Kesey’s Day-Glo bus. The “scene” depicted is so unappealing to me it actually borders on the violently unpleasant. The togetherness of it all … it’s stifling. Wolfe senses in the dynamic some of the dangers which would eventually become clear just one year after the book’s publication, when Manson and his merry band of lunatics slaughtered a bunch of strangers. Wolfe can sense what might be coming. At any rate, I’m having a blast with it.

The Letters of Sylvia Plath Volume 1: 1940-1956. Holy mackerel, this volume is gigantic. And long overdue (total understatement). The Sylvia Plath Estate has had such a stranglehold on actual exploration of this important artist’s work and life. That is now changing. Never fear: Frieda Hughes is in charge! She is not afraid. As of now, all we have had, in terms of Sylvia’s correspondence, is the wretchedly and dishonestly edited volume Letters Home, brought out by Sylvia’s poor mother who – naturally, although annoyingly – felt very defensive. It’s a crazy volume, so filled with ellipses that you know the entire thing is a lie, or at least so sanitized as to be worthless. But when it’s all you have, you dig in, you read it obsessively. But that’s been it. Shocking. But now, here is volume 1 of Plath’s correspondence. Starting with her letters home from summer camp as a child. There’s even a surviving letter to her father, who died when she was young. It’s, frankly, incredible, to read these childish letters, filled with stamp-collecting, poetry, and illustrations, listed out by the editors. Sylvia loved to sketch. It’ll take me forever to get through is, but I am soaking it in.

The Trial, by Franz Kafka. I spent January to April reading James Joyce’s Finnegans Wake, a couple of pages each morning, read out loud. (It’s the only way to go.) That book is one of the reading experiences of a lifetime. It’s shockingly easy once you actually submit to it. It’s not hard at all. It’s not as “hard” as Ulysses often is. Sure, some passages are dense, and you have to squint to figure out what the joke is (because it’s all a joke) … but in general, it’s a very simple book, and the whole point is to futz around with language. That’s it. At any rate, it took up so much time that when I finished it I wanted to take a small break in the fiction department. There are a couple of other BIG novels I want to read, but not now. Hence: Kafka’s slim book. Which I’ve read before. I’ll finish it in the next couple of days. It’s such a perfect representation of paranoia. Of fears of bureaucracy. Of not being “in” on … whatever “it” is.

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R.I.P. R. Lee Ermey

Ermey, a Vietnam veteran, and Marine Corps drill instructor/staff sergeant (with honorary promotion to gunnery sergeant), was probably most well-known for his real-life-mirroring portrayal of the tough Gunnery Sgt. Hartman in Stanley Kubrick’s Full Metal Jacket. Who on earth can forget that opening scene? Ermey is not the only reason it works so well, but he’s a HUGE part of it. Casting AS storytelling: what Ermey presents IS the story. And he knows it in his bone marrow.

He worked constantly, often playing a variation of that Full Metal Jacket role. He was incredibly touching and pained – and so REAL – as the father of the murdered girl in Dead Man Walking.

And of COURSE he voiced “Sarge” in the Toy Story movies.

No other choice, really.

Here’s a nice tribute on Rogerebert.com, written by B.J. Bethel.

Semper Fi.

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